Paul Mitchell to leave club by mutual consent at end of June (Official)

[Lotus]

Very interesting to read he will be looking to sign 6 players a year for 3 years, totalling 18 new players and that’s how he’ll refresh the squad. One would imagine that’s a lot of project players. Maybe only 1 first team ready players and 5 project players.

Thats quite a different strategy to what we’ve done up until now.

[Iwantcurlyhair2]

The only psr fallout can be the decision to give joelinton a new contract and not sell him. This must have been Amanda & Merhdad's decision if it has caused Eales to complain about not being able to be the decision maker. I agree totally to keep Big Joe and the other Elites as it is fundamental to success. I don't believe Eales is fit for purpose and Mitchell just doesn't appear to get Howes total fan backing at all.

Newcastle as a club have been built and supported by a wave of emotion and passion and we are in danger of losing that. Anybody who thinks success is built on a passionless corporate team need to find a different club. I longed to win something under Keegan, Bobby and Rafa but would have hated to fluke a cup under Souness, Gullit, Daglish, pardew etc. I loved the passion from top to bottom since the takeover and Mitchell just doesn't seem to understand that's what makes Newcastle tick. He must either fit in or **** off as far as I'm concerned. In Eddy I eternally trust. He gets us more than any future appointment will. I want his statue rather than any other and it wouldn't surprise me that if and when we win something an Eales and Mitchell brass bust will be ordered and take pride of place in front of the Milburn stand. Newcastle must be run by passion & emotion. Without it we become the same as everyone else. It won't work up here.

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Iwantcurlyhair2 said:

The only psr fallout can be the decision to give joelinton a new contract and not sell him. This must have been Amanda & Merhdad's decision if it has caused Eales to complain about not being able to be the decision maker. I agree totally to keep Big Joe and the other Elites as it is fundamental to success. I don't believe Eales is fit for purpose and Mitchell just doesn't appear to get Howes total fan backing at all.

Newcastle as a club have been built and supported by a wave of emotion and passion and we are in danger of losing that. Anybody who thinks success is built on a passionless corporate team need to find a different club. I longed to win something under Keegan, Bobby and Rafa but would have hated to fluke a cup under Souness, Gullit, Daglish, pardew etc. I loved the passion from top to bottom since the takeover and Mitchell just doesn't seem to understand that's what makes Newcastle tick. He must either fit in or **** off as far as I'm concerned. In Eddy I eternally trust. He gets us more than any future appointment will. I want his statue rather than any other and it wouldn't surprise me that if and when we win something an Eales and Mitchell brass bust will be ordered and take pride of place in front of the Milburn stand. Newcastle must be run by passion & emotion. Without it we become the same as everyone else. It won't work up here.

 

 

That strategy is not going to work though, unless PSR is blown out of the water. Unless we can keep buying top class players and spending hundreds of millions net without selling basically. What we've done last couple of windows is attempt to add whatever quality we can and keep our purples, which is the right thing to do as it stands. But will that give us a club which gets CL this season?

 

I don't think so personally, I think we are a couple of players short. So as another season goes without either a trophy or CL, our top players will get itchy feet and we might end up selling anyway before we assemble a squad equal to the cartel clubs.

[Zero]

You can try to explain passion to EPL when they inform you that due to PSR you are going to have 10 points deduction

[The Prophet]

I still don't totally grasp the sudden clamour to get stuck into Eales. For sure, he has to shoulder some of the criticism received over the transfer market, but it seems over the top.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by The Prophet

[timnufc22]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I still don't totally grasp the sudden clamour to get stuck into Eales. For sure, he has to shoulder some of the criticism of received over the transfer market, but it seems over the top.

He didn’t have the courtesy (or balls?) to thrash things out with Howe and what the structure will be re transfers, DoF and instead did a public interview talking about keeping Howe ‘on the grass’, which prompted Howe to give a public response of his own. 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, timnufc22 said:

He didn’t have the courtesy (or balls?) to thrash things out with Howe and what the structure will be re transfers, DoF and instead did a public interview talking about keeping Howe ‘on the grass’, which prompted Howe to give a public response of his own. 

 

Hasn't Howe previously said he was consulted on the SD search?

[timnufc22]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Hasn't Howe previously said he was consulted on the SD search?

 

Not sure. I'm being harsh probably, but I just don't think Howe would have said those comments in Germany if the structure hadn't been nailed down between everyone.

[Armchair Pundit]

Hmmm...

 

https://www.football365.com/news/newcastle-inflamed-meeting-badly-howe-mitchell-eales

[gbandit]

There’s a lot bubbling away under the surface and in the press columns, we’ll likely not know more about how they’re all getting on until January and how that window goes. The idea that Howe’s “playing style” is coming up as an issue with Mitchell seems frankly absurd. Is that just hack nonsense? He’s been here nowhere near long enough to have a view on it surely. If Mitchell did have an issue with it so far then he could go fuck himself in my opinion 

[JUICE690]

16 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

Hmmm...

 

https://www.football365.com/news/newcastle-inflamed-meeting-badly-howe-mitchell-eales

Not saying there isn't a possibilty of shenanigans but:

'The Sun insist'
‘believed to have'
'according to reports' (see above)
'Howe has ‘privately' expressed frustration'

[Scoot]

6 minutes ago, JUICE690 said:

Not saying there isn't a possibilty of shenanigans but:

'The Sun insist'
‘believed to have'
'according to reports' (see above)
'Howe has ‘privately' expressed frustration'

 

Was reading that and seen "the sun report" and crossed it off.

[Elliottman]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

I still don't totally grasp the sudden clamour to get stuck into Eales. For sure, he has to shoulder some of the criticism of received over the transfer market, but it seems over the top.

 

Its mental. 

[SUPERTOON]

38 minutes ago, gbandit said:

There’s a lot bubbling away under the surface and in the press columns, we’ll likely not know more about how they’re all getting on until January and how that window goes. The idea that Howe’s “playing style” is coming up as an issue with Mitchell seems frankly absurd. Is that just hack nonsense? He’s been here nowhere near long enough to have a view on it surely. If Mitchell did have an issue with it so far then he could go fuck himself in my opinion 

Where has the playing style being an issue come from ? Doubt it’s true, he hired Poch who also plays that way and worked for Red Bull who are know for it aren’t they ?

[Stuy_O]

None of it sounds particularly great.
 

As much as I rate Eddie I can’t escape the feeling he can’t work within a certain structure. If Mitchell departed that would be two sporting directors he has disposed of in quick succession. 

[The Prophet]

10 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Where has the playing style being an issue come from ? Doubt it’s true, he hired Poch who also plays that way and worked for Red Bull who are know for it aren’t they ?

 

This from Mitchell's interview:

 

“The way we see the game, we’re very aggressive, that’s the way I like the team to play as well,” Mitchell said. “The types of signings — very physical, dynamic but must be able to use the ball to a certain level. We’ve had some really good conversations. It’s a working relationship and it does take time. It has to develop trust within it. I’ve really enjoyed the interaction and we’re growing to work and learn together. I’m super positive because I can see why we can align.”

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

None of it sounds particularly great.
 

As much as I rate Eddie I can’t escape the feeling he can’t work within a certain structure. If Mitchell departed that would be two sporting directors he has disposed of in quick succession. 

Ashworth was always leaving once his mates at Manure came knocking, despite what his relationship with Eddie was. I expect Eddie and Mitchell to grow together in their respective roles. Time will tell of course.

[duo]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Mitchell even said in his interview he's a big fan of Eddie's aggressive style and it's how he likes to see the game played.

I feel like there is a lot of finger pointing from Mitchell which is unnecessary and can't help the situation.  

 

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by duo

[The Prophet]

Just now, duo said:

I feel like there is a lot of finger pointing from Mitchell which is unnecessary and can't help the situation.  

 

 

 

 

Found the actual quote. Posted it above.

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

This from Mitchell's interview:

 

“The way we see the game, we’re very aggressive, that’s the way I like the team to play as well,” Mitchell said. “The types of signings — very physical, dynamic but must be able to use the ball to a certain level. We’ve had some really good conversations. It’s a working relationship and it does take time. It has to develop trust within it. I’ve really enjoyed the interaction and we’re growing to work and learn together. I’m super positive because I can see why we can align.”

Just wants some more technicality in the squad. I think we all do. Good that he sees that.

[duo]

6 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Found the actual quote. Posted it above.

It was more around him criticising the state of our scouting department/over paying on players - which Eddie was a large part of.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by duo

[Coffee_Johnny]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Mitchell even said in his interview he's a big fan of Eddie's aggressive style and it's how he likes to see the game played.

Can’t help thinking that in an ideal world nobody should give a fuck about his preferences or thoughts on playing style. Whether it aligns or doesn’t with Howe’s, he should be there to ensure that we can sustainably feed the beast with the right kind of players when we need them. 
Suspect that beneath the managerees patter this unfortunately isn’t how his role is seen.
‘Director’ roles likes to direct. The coach who works for me kind of vibe. Talentless tag alongs. 

[Sean]

A lot of what he seems to be alluding to are things plenty on here have had reservations about (playing style, lack of diversity in scouting etc), so in that sense it can be seen as a positive that there will be more internal debate regarding these things. You don't ever want one person surrounded by yes men.

 

 

I suppose the concern is just how Eddie views it. We know he was happy working with Amanda and Merhdad, and it seems they backed his judgement to the hilt. How he will adapt to having that questioned, and his influence reduced, we shall see in the coming months I guess. The transfer window won't have helped, and I doubt the interview will have either though.

[Abacus]

Yep, if the interview was designed to settle speculation it doesn't seem to have worked out like that in some parts.

 

Maybe it was designed instead to mix things up with a public statement of intent about what is needed instead.

 

I'm just glad we're on an international break, so there's been no Howe interview where select bits would be put to him by folks trying to create a story where there may not be one.

[TheBrownBottle]

40 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Can’t help thinking that in an ideal world nobody should give a fuck about his preferences or thoughts on playing style. Whether it aligns or doesn’t with Howe’s, he should be there to ensure that we can sustainably feed the beast with the right kind of players when we need them. 
Suspect that beneath the managerees patter this unfortunately isn’t how his role is seen.
‘Director’ roles likes to direct. The coach who works for me kind of vibe. Talentless tag alongs. 

I'd think it would be the opposite - that 'big' clubs have a playing philosophy, implemented from the youth ranks to the first team, and that players, coaches and managers are selected to ensure that they fit into that style.

 

A proper DoF isn't a glorified head scout - they're there to set up the way that the club approaches football from top to bottom.