Paul Mitchell

[jack j]

The Brighton model is a big jump from PIF wanting to be the best like

[The Prophet]

Just now, jack j said:

The Brighton model is a big jump from PIF wanting to be the best like

 

I don't think that's what he was trying to say.

 

More that we need to be more data-led and cast a wider net with our approach to scouting. He feels our current approach is too narrow and isn't effective with PSR around.

[gdm]

1 hour ago, Theregulars said:

Bloke gives me the creeps, my sense is that he’s a salaryman and money-first. Really wish he wasn’t here. 

So weird

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, AJ9 said:

I think the players we overpaid for would be:

 

Wood, Targett, Hall

 

Possibly overpaid for:

Tonali, Isak, Burn, Gordon

 

Got value from:

Bruno, Botman, Pope

 

regardless of how well they have done since

 

I don't think you can disregard how well they've done since because it's with that hindsight that we can see how savvy the club's been. 

 

So yes, Wood was too expensive at the time, but then when you factor in what we got back, what he contributed and how he's doing now you can't write that off imo, it's too relevant. 

 

Most thought we overpaid for Gordon, if you asked anyone if we'd sell him for what we thought he was worth when we bought him everyone would kick off. 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Abacus]

I didn't much like his response on the Howe to England thing. All that said, it felt a bit of a non-update. 

 

We won't overpay on transfers? Really!? Well I never. It would have been much funnier if he'd said the opposite and gone

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

I have to be totally honest like, as alarmist as it may sound, the more I read those quotes from him the more I dislike him and the more I think they'll rub Howe up the wrong way. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

I have to be totally honest like, as alarmist as it may sound, the more I read those quotes from him the more I dislike him and the more I think they'll rub Howe up the wrong way. 

Same, some of the quotes are deliberate imo.

[The Prophet]

I have mixed feelings about them. Some good stuff in there and some unnecessary bits too.

 

That's why I think a video interview might have been a better format, always difficult to frame these things when you don't know what questions were asked or how the answers were delivered.

[Kid Icarus]

9 hours ago, McDog said:

 

I think if your predecessor is a garden gnome that's allowed currently.

Don't mind us saying it, people in the media saying etc. Our current DoF saying it? Not for me Geoff, particularly as it's unclear whether he's digging out Ashworth or Staveley/Ghoudoussi. 

[Menace]

Dont understand why he did different interviews with different media outlets rather than just do a video on the official channel - quite odd really. I agree with the wording being a bit dodgy but could just be taken out of context. Anyway, actions speak more than words so lets see what he/they do for January.

[jonny1403]

1 hour ago, Theregulars said:

Bloke gives me the creeps, my sense is that he’s a salaryman and money-first. Really wish he wasn’t here. 

Imagine coming to this conclusion based on a couple of quotes in an article 

[Conjo]

12 minutes ago, jack j said:

The Brighton model is a big jump from PIF wanting to be the best like

 

Just because we'd like to move more towards a Brighton scouting model doesn't mean we have to adopt their financial model of regularly selling their best players you know.

 

Reckon Brighton would be pretty good now (or even better is maybe more accurate to say) if they still had the likes of Caicedo, MacAllister, Cucurella, Bissouma, Trossard, Sanchez & White.

[Coffee_Johnny]

47 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

Give you the creeps? He's not exactly Fred West..

😂 He grew-up not far from Shipman’s stomping ground. Just saying… .

[KaKa]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I don't think you can disregard how well they'll done since because it's with that hindsight that we can see how savvy the club's been. 

 

 

Yeah, great they've done well.

 

However, if we overpaid for what they were at the time, ultimately that now led to the PSR situation and losing valuable young talent.

 

Not to mention also restricting what we've been able to do as far as bringing players in the last couple of windows.

[Menace]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Brighton model. Even City use it to an extent.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

38 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

It's funny because I clearly remember the public discourse being we paid too much for a lot of our signings at the time.

 

Thankfully it has all worked out, because they have performed well and actually increased their value for the most part.

 

Literally never crossed my mind that we overpaid for Tonali or Gordon. Isak maybe, but then he’s now one of the best forwards in world. 
 

Out transfer business since the takeover has been excellent. 
 

I’d much rather buy those players and sell Anderson and Minteh. That’s what Minteh was signed for. Of course I want less of a panic in June. 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Menace said:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Brighton model. Even City use it to an extent.

While dropping the occasional massive fee on someone to add proven quality. 

[ExiledGeordie]

Brighton are a well run club, I don’t think there’s any issue with our director of football acknowledging that. It doesn’t mean our whole approach will be the same as Connor says above and Mitchel is probably alluding to recruitment in the PSR world. Signing a player for 6m who goes on to be a cracking player in the league or get sold for profit at some point can only be a good thing surely.

 

 

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Just because we'd like to move more towards a Brighton scouting model doesn't mean we have to adopt their financial model of regularly selling their best players you know.

 

Reckon Brighton would be pretty good now (or even better is maybe more accurate to say) if they still had the likes of Caicedo, MacAllister, Cucurella, Bissouma, Trossard, Sanchez & White.

 

Exactly!

 

Not to mention, that Brighton model is evolving.

 

They clearly took more of a step forward this summer in the amount they spent on individual players being brought in.

 

They seem to have a long term plan in place, and they will likely end up selling less and less as time goes on.

[madras]

Don't want to name any in particular in case any are on here but some of the 'journalistic' takes on this interview show how little real insight there is in journalists covering NUFC.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, great they've done well.

 

However, if we overpaid for what they were at the time, ultimately that now led to the PSR situation and losing valuable young talent.

 

Not to mention also restricting what we've been able to do as far as bringing players in the last couple of windows.

 

'Overpaying' at the time is now underpaying with hindsight, in 3 players alone we've signed roughly £275m worth of talent for around £140m. We 'lost' that valuable young talent at a massive profit, meaning we were bailed out of the PSR situation without selling our very best players. It doesn't need to be either/or, it can be both - low fee investments for players that we can sell on, higher fees on players that will improve the team/squad and will massively increase in value. 

 

And for all the lauding of Brighton, their astute buys have so far never got them higher than 9th, whereas we made astute buys that blasted us into the Champions League meaning we could attract better players. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, madras said:

Don't want to name any in particular in case any are on here but some of the 'journalistic' takes on this interview show how little real insight there is in journalists covering NUFC.

Shock

[Kid Icarus]

48 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

It's funny because I clearly remember the public discourse being we paid too much for a lot of our signings at the time.

 

Thankfully it has all worked out, because they have performed well and actually increased their value for the most part.

 

This should tell you something tbf.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

'Overpaying' at the time is now underpaying with hindsight, in 3 players alone we've signed roughly £275m worth of talent for around £140m. We 'lost' that valuable young talent at a massive profit, meaning we were bailed out of the PSR situation without selling our very best players. It doesn't need to be either/or, it can be both - low fee investments for players that we can sell on, higher fees on players that will improve the team/squad and will massively increase in value. 

 

And for all the lauding of Brighton, their astute buys have so far never got them higher than 9th, whereas we made astute buys that blasted us into the Champions League meaning we could attract better players. 

This is what I thought we were doing with Guehi TBH. Complimenting some great moves to underrated or unusually available players (Bruno, Isak, Gordon) with a move for someone of proven quality in a position we really need.
 

Felt like just a solid evolution of the plan, of course a shame that we didn’t get the deal done in the end. I think we’re suffering a bit with recency bias and concluding we’ve always spent too much on proven players, which IMO isn’t a fair assessment of the work done since the takeover. 

[Mikky]

28 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

Man City’s method is an adaptation of the Barcelona sporting method and many others from abroad - the exception with Pep is that the DoF is Peps best friend, the trust is absolute meaning Pep just focuses on the pitch - They are unique in a way plus Pep is a genius 

 

The DoF oversees the sporting operation (purchases, sales, loans, youth, scouting, coaches etc)

 

The manager/coach operates on the training pitch

 

There’s a clear separation of duties - they will often talk over a number of things so the coach is always up to speed with ongoings at the club -  when it comes to buying players - the DoF will have a comprehensive list for the manager to pick, they will discuss the current squad, where they can refresh in a position - I mean the whole concept isn’t rocket science

 

Let Mitchell do his job and let Howe do his and trust me, we’ll do quite well