Paul Mitchell

[WilliamPS]

There are posters on here with a lot more understanding of PSR and the clubs financials than the Ronnie gill, I wouldn’t believe a word of what they say.

 

Plus things like league position and European qualification will have a huge impact on the financials 

[STM]

11 hours ago, ChrisMcQuillan said:

This turned out to be surprisingly accurate. 

Not a surprise really, I've never lied in my life. 

[The College Dropout]

What’s with the colour coding with user names?

[gjohnson]

10 hours ago, HawK said:

Only so many hotels and women's football teams Chelsea can sell tbf

I'm sure they can sell a few of their car parking spots at their training ground to themselves for 50m, make the players pay a million a week in parking fees which the club will re-imburse and write off as part of wages

[Fatwax]

25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

What’s with the colour coding with user names?

It’s to do with the most recent Traitors game. Nothing to do with a snidey non-player like yourself.

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Jewel said:

That’s not going to get us much.

 

Most of that will go on a RW, you’d have thought. And we desperately need cover elsewhere as well, especially if we get into Europe.

 

 

 

It’s not a choice of the club how much they can spend

4 hours ago, Ben said:

The Chronicle reckons Mitchell has £80milliom to spend in the summer.

The Ronnie Gill literally can’t possibly know that given we don’t know if we’ll be in Europe (and in which tournament if we are)

[ExiledGeordie]

If we’ve got only 80m to spend this summer after sales and basically barely spending a penny for 3 windows we’re totally fucked. Might as well pack up and go home 😂

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by ExiledGeordie

[SUPERTOON]

80 million spent wisely is a decent amount tbf. 

[kingxlnc]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

80 million spent wisely is a decent amount tbf. 

Yes in 2012

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, kingxlnc said:

Yes in 2012

Go have a look at some of the players Bournemouth, Brighton etc have managed to bring in the last season or two. It’s more than doable for us to sign a 2/3 quality players for 80 million.

[Andy]

17 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Ronnie Gill literally can’t possibly know that given we don’t know if we’ll be in Europe (and in which tournament if we are)

 

While you're right, it seems like the club have previously briefed journalists early to temper fan expectations for the next window. So I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't too far from the truth. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

80 million spent wisely is a decent amount tbf. 

£80m plus sales would do very nicely.  But the Ronnie Gill is talking shite as it’s impossible to know until the season ends.

 

The problem is that the rules completely change next season.  ‘Acceptable losses’ etc are over.  Next season clubs will be allowed to spend 85% of turnover on squad costs.  As in the past, transfers are amortised.  It does make everything a bit more straightforward, though; if we allow for say £350m in turnover, then we’re allowed £297.5m in amortised transfers and wages.  At present, a guesstimate would be we have around £190m in wages and c.£95m in amortisation costs.  There are also allowable deductibles.  So not a huge amount; however, European qualification and players sales would massively boost that. 

[TheBrownBottle]

15 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Yes in 2012

I don’t think £80m is feasible without CL or player sales. 

[toon25]

17 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Yes in 2012

 

Nobody is blowing budgets on players these days, mind. He's absolutely correct. 

[mighty__mag]

19 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

80 million spent wisely is a decent amount tbf. 

 

Agree, I think many people think you have to spend loads like Man Utd did on Antony, that's where the mistakes happen.

 

Kerkez at 15m, Huijsen 12m, Murillo 15m, Elanga 15m, I could go on and on.

 

We need to find value that works, Guehi at 70m is pointless in my opinion. 

[Cf]

21 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

£80m plus sales would do very nicely.  But the Ronnie Gill is talking shite as it’s impossible to know until the season ends.

 

The problem is that the rules completely change next season.  ‘Acceptable losses’ etc are over.  Next season clubs will be allowed to spend 85% of turnover on squad costs.  As in the past, transfers are amortised.  It does make everything a bit more straightforward, though; if we allow for say £350m in turnover, then we’re allowed £297.5m in amortised transfers and wages.  At present, a guesstimate would be we have around £190m in wages and c.£95m in amortisation costs.  There are also allowable deductibles.  So not a huge amount; however, European qualification and players sales would massively boost that. 

 

For all the objection there'd apparently be to wage caps I fail to see how this isn't effectively the same thing.

 

Obviously if you wanted to implement the "fair" aspect of it you'd set the amount to the same value for everyone.

[kingxlnc]

10 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Agree, I think many people think you have to spend loads like Man Utd did on Antony, that's where the mistakes happen.

 

Kerkez at 15m, Huijsen 12m, Murillo 15m, Elanga 15m, I could go on and on.

 

We need to find value that works, Guehi at 70m is pointless in my opinion. 

I agree but we are super slow with prospect monitoring, look at players like Perrone, Angelo, Vitor Roque from a few years ago. We monitor and scout for ages whereas other clubs just pounce and get them in. Forest, Chelsea, Man City, Brighton, Bournemouth in particular. 10-15m is a punt these days. We have to be less risk averse in my opinion. Put aside 30m a season for these types of signings. 
 

look at this Greek striker Brighton just bought. We were linked for ages also. All three Man City defender signings the same. I understand this Jan we weren’t in a position to buy but that’s not always been the case, we’ve been too perfectionist in my opinion. 

[kingxlnc]

We either go super young, like Harrison and the Georgian or Turkish, ie not first team ready or we go full blown purple. 
 

we need a happy medium category where they have got decent credentials and could become decent first teamers 

[ExiledGeordie]

41 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Go have a look at some of the players Bournemouth, Brighton etc have managed to bring in the last season or two. It’s more than doable for us to sign a 2/3 quality players for 80 million.

It is and I’d argue that’s the route we have to go down with Mitchel given this farcical PSR landscape. As you say there are good deals to be had out there. However the multiple positions we need to fill is going to cost a fair bit and you’re not always going to find those bargains. Also 80m seems a minuscule amount given our non-existent recent transfer windows and the fact we’ve actually now been selling players too. I’d expect 80m minimum even offloading players but maybe I’m missing something. 

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by ExiledGeordie

[Ash]

Very reassuring to have someone as astute as Mitchell leading the way on the football side of things. This window was extremely telling and although people won’t want to hear it, he’s done a great job of ensuring we are in a stronger position in the medium to long term thanks to shifting two fringe players. I’ve no doubt we’ll see more outgoings in the summer too and not just the out of contract players either which should allow us to have a big window. It would have been very easy for him to get twitchy fingers and push the button on a signing this window but he’s held his nerve and by all accounts, never had any intention of wavering which really highlights how much belief he has in his strategy to move us forward. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Ash said:

Very reassuring to have someone as astute as Mitchell leading the way on the football side of things. This window was extremely telling and although people won’t want to hear it, he’s done a great job of ensuring we are in a stronger position in the medium to long term thanks to shifting two fringe players. I’ve no doubt we’ll see more outgoings in the summer too and not just the out of contract players either which should allow us to have a big window. It would have been very easy for him to get twitchy fingers and push the button on a signing this window but he’s held his nerve and by all accounts, never had any intention of wavering which really highlights how much belief he has in his strategy to move us forward. 

 

 

From what I read, it took him a year or two to clear out the old guard at Monaco as well before he could really start the rebuild. It is probably a bit harder here because we are doing relatively well so he can't disturb too much. But in the same way Brentford and Bournemouth have bought well, you would like to think he is ideally placed to bring in some rough diamonds who will be the equivalent of the ready made stars without too much polishing at a quarter of the price.

[The College Dropout]

55 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Go have a look at some of the players Bournemouth, Brighton etc have managed to bring in the last season or two. It’s more than doable for us to sign a 2/3 quality players for 80 million.

These are not clubs that compete in Europe. Show me clubs that compete in Europe from the PL that spend that amount.  

[The College Dropout]

Like the way Brighton Brentford and Bournemouth do business. But I think you need to spend at a clip close to the big 6 to sustain a challenge. 
 

That means revenues close to the big 6.  
 

That’s why I spend so much time in the PSR thread. Everything else (and to a point - current league performance) is noise. 

[SUPERTOON]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

These are not clubs that compete in Europe. Show me clubs that compete in Europe from the PL that spend that amount.  

So with our current squad now, most on here say we need a CB and RW? If we added that Huijsen for the 12 million he was available for last summer (a lot on here wanted him) that would give us 68 million left to get a RW and maybe keeper. You genuinely don’t believe that’s doable?

[TBG]

Granted he arguably shouldn't be allowed one, and or might have taken it at 12, but no sign of Mitchell having his lunch in STACK for those looking for him.