Marc Guehi

[Erikse]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

You can only look back and wonder. Would you rather we hadn't got Botman and we'd went for Badiashile because that January because Lille wouldn't accept our offer? It's a long game and I'm prepared to see how it plays out. Has their other CHs injury killed it ? Who knows ? We've kept our purples, we know we ha e money there to improve and I'd rather get the right one later than a make weight now. 

 

But it's not just about not signing Guehi. Most other clubs that has money to spend seem to make sure that they have enough alternatives in place to find someone else if one fails. We've had loads of time before the window to find options.

[Mazzy]

10 minutes ago, madras said:

You can only look back and wonder. Would you rather we hadn't got Botman and we'd went for Badiashile because that January because Lille wouldn't accept our offer? It's a long game and I'm prepared to see how it plays out. Has their other CHs injury killed it ? Who knows ? We've kept our purples, we know we ha e money there to improve and I'd rather get the right one later than a make weight now. 

 

I agree with your point regarding holding your nerve and getting the player you want. But Guehi is the player we want and he certainly wouldn't be a makeweight. I'm definitely not saying we pay £75M. But would it have been worth it doing everything possible (pay the £65/£70M they wanted then) to get this done 3 weeks ago before the season started and then there's be none of this issue about their other CBs being injured or them not having time to replace him 

[gbandit]

How do we know they would have accepted that price three weeks ago? They’ve strung us along for weeks. There’s every chance the goalposts would have moved then 

[Disco]

What a fuck on 

[Kid Icarus]

14 minutes ago, madras said:

You can only look back and wonder. Would you rather we hadn't got Botman and we'd went for Badiashile because that January because Lille wouldn't accept our offer? It's a long game and I'm prepared to see how it plays out. Has their other CHs injury killed it ? Who knows ? We've kept our purples, we know we ha e money there to improve and I'd rather get the right one later than a make weight now. 

 

That January was very much softened with the signings of Bruno, Trippier, Burn, Wood, Targett. If we'd a window like that where we'd addressed other areas then I don't think anyone would be in uproar. We're approaching Guehi like he's the final piece of the puzzle when we still have other areas that need serious work. 

[PauloGeordio]

29 minutes ago, 54 said:

I feel like as i'm getting older I just can't be arsed with negativity anymore, like objectively it'll be a poor window if we don't sign anyone, there is no disputing it, and a couple of years ago i'd probably be upset, but right now, I really just don't have the energy in me to care that much about it. Like realistically we still have owners who want us to improve, the club will still be here in 5 years, with a likely new set of players, and the world will keep on spinning, with this transfer window having been forgotten. So i'm just sat here reading all the angry posts being very "Meh, whatever, these things happen".

 

Is it just me like that?

Not just you, no. Soon be Sunday 

[Ronaldo]

16 minutes ago, Andy said:

We've seen before that a lack of activity causes, or at least contributes to, stagnation. Bowyer window, Anita window, as obvious examples.  

By contrast, the best windows I can think of, summer 1995, 2001, 2022 caused a massive uplift which reflected on huge improvements in league position. 

[B-more Mag]

So Guehi can wait. He knows it's too late, as we're walking on by. His soul slides away. But "Don't look back in anger," I heard Howe say. 

[Mahoneys Tache]

I can’t get my knickers in a twist about amy if this either. Mid 50’s. Things are generally less important now anyways and i don’t get agitated about much. I’m generally very happy with things and I think the whole PSR shite and the determination to enhance the squad rather than pack it are both factors. 
I think lots of the angst is based on expectations since the take over but we are being hobbled by weird regulations and corporate sabotage. 
I’m in two minds about things in the long term: either the project will eventually work out or, it’s Newcastle United and therefore it will inevitably end up a disappointing fucking mess. 

[Mahoneys Tache]

But Guehi isn’t signing and he never was 

[et tu brute]

I'm not too fussed at not getting him as I don't think he is worth £50 million never mind £75 million. However, questions need to be asked as to why we have (seemingly) concentrated on this one signing, when it was obvious Parish was just trying it on. Just over 24 hours to go, but, the window will be a failure, even if we sign a centre half, as we required a right winger just as much .

[AyeDubbleYoo]

19 minutes ago, gdm said:

Anything could happen tho. He could have got injured in any of the 3 games he’s played in or he could have failed his medical or as has happened Palace continue to ask for too much.  Putting all eggs in this basket for nearly 4 weeks and not have any alternative targets is mental. Can’t find any excuse for it really 

 

Yeah but again, only because it looks like not happening. If we pursue him and get the singing it looks OK. 

 

Of course you could argue we should have moved on weeks ago no matter what, but I find that hard to argue for without knowing the inside details of the negotiation. 

[Sean]

Whether we end up getting Guehi or not, a RW is also needed. 2 days to sort it out or it’s a failure plain and simple

[gdm]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Yeah but again, only because it looks like not happening. If we pursue him and get the singing it looks OK. 

 

Of course you could argue we should have moved on weeks ago no matter what, but I find that hard to argue for without knowing the inside details of the negotiation. 

Yeah I get what your saying but surely there’s a list of targets why’s it now Guehi or nobody 

[HayDen Traces]

Whatever way you look at it we've taken too long to reach a decision. Rumours of an impasse surfaced days ago, we should have had a contingency in place regardless

[nufcnick]

1 minute ago, Sean said:

Whether we end up getting Guehi or not, a RW is also needed. 2 days to sort it out or it’s a failure plain and simple

It’s a massive failure on Mitchell or Howe’s part, either Howe was stubborn and wanted Guehi and refused any alternatives, or Mitchell has failed in the negotiations and didn’t know when to back away.  

[Shearergol]

This one's over.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, nufcnick said:

It’s a massive failure on Mitchell or Howe’s part, either Howe was stubborn and wanted Guehi and refused any alternatives, or Mitchell has failed in the negotiations and didn’t know when to back away.  

 

Or neither Howe or Mitchell thought any of the alternatives were good enough.

[gdm]

He played for palace Sunday, Saturday and Wednesday. At no point did this look on. Why have we wasted so much time on it 

[nufcnick]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

Or neither Howe or Mitchell thought any of the alternatives were good enough.

There are plenty of alternatives out there, for the club not have an option B,C or D is criminal, especially for a club that expects to be in Europe next season. 

[Thumbheed]

40 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

In a team trying to raise the ceiling of quality up to the level of Isak, Bruno, Tonali, Gordon, Tripper etc, do you think the things you've listed come anywhere close to doing that when we're still regularly playing Burn, Longstaff, Almiron, Murphy? All of them are great professionals and can do a job, but we should be moving down the pecking order and being replaced with high quality players if we want to progress. Tonali (a player we bought last summer) for Longstaff is the only one on the cards at the moment. We still have no replacement for Schar, no Pope back up, no starting RW, Wilson is still here and crocked. If we'd taken care of any of these things in this window it would be fine, but we've done nothing.  

 

No ones under any impression that many players can't be improved on, but why is improving the RW for example (the season after we scored +85 goals) seen as a far bigger area of concern than addressing general squad depth which directly contributed to our struggles last season? 

 

Unless you're arguing that the squad as a whole isn't stronger than it was last season, then I'm not sure how your definition of stagnation - and the risks associated with it - can be true? 

 

Ideally we'll get a first teamer in over the next 24 hours, but if not, really poor, but certainly not indicative of a club that's stood still.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Thumbheed

[LionOfGosforth]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

He played for palace Sunday, Saturday and Wednesday. At no point did this look on. Why have we wasted so much time on it 

 

Maybe we didn't. Maybe we walked away 2 weeks ago. Haven't really heard anything. Doesn't explain the lack of alternatives explored but i'm not convinced we didn't give up on this some time back.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, nufcnick said:

There are plenty of alternatives out there, for the club not have an option B,C or D is criminal, especially for a club that expects to be in Europe next season. 

 

Can only be FFP/PSR fears which are preventing us from making short term signings. We saw what happened in June, so I think that's what is preventing us from making signings unless we are 100% sold on them.

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

No ones under any impression that many players can't be improved on, but why is improving the RW (the season after we scored +85 goals) seen as a far bigger area of concern than addressing general squad depth which directly contributed to our struggles last season? 

 

Unless you're arguing that the squad as a whole isn't stronger than it was last season, then I'm not sure how your definition of stagnation - and the risks associated with it - can be true? 

 

Ideally we'll get a first teamer in over the next 24 hours, but if not, really poor, but certainly not indicative of a club that's stood still.

 

 

 

Squad depth would be raising the floor, improving the starting XI would be raising the ceiling. We haven't improved our depth significantly either, we're actually 2 players down on last year and 2 of the 4 squad players we've brought in are 'keepers. 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[mighty__mag]

I cant really put the blame on anyone, it's obviously been a difficult transfer to make happen, probably more likely Palace being awkward as hell, and we've got fed up.