Marc Guehi

[Shearergol]

10 hours ago, Rod said:

Hate?  I say how it is ya knacker!

[ExiledGeordie]

It’s a funny one isn’t it, Palace’s form has torpedoed though he seems to playing alright. He’ll end up going to Liverpool or someone but not for the price we were prepared to pay 55m odd. So have Parish’s hardball tactics worked? 

[The College Dropout]

Never rated him that highly.  Nothing that I’ve seen or in his data I’ve seen suggests he’s £60m+ defender. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Never rated him that highly.  Nothing that I’ve seen or in his data I’ve seen suggests he’s £60m+ defender. 

He’s worth what a club is willing to pay - stats don’t necessarily determine value.  For what it’s worth, the lad has always looked pretty good to me 

[AJ9]

I think this is one where we not regret panic buying. I think he’s good but not transformative. 

[Sibierski]

I think his value is naturally around the £50m mark. I really wanted him (still do), but when it was getting close to £70m, I can't get angry at not doing that deal, as it's getting into silly money where that £20m is crucial to help other positions.

 

If he's got his eyes set on us, hopefully we can get a deal done in summer for that price, but wouldn't be surprised if all three of Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City consider a move, where we won't be able to compete wages wise. 

 

I feel the boat has sailed though on Guehi, and club will be drawing up a list of other CB options to buy, with it being strongly linked to addressing other areas in the squad too (GK / RW / CM / RB / ST) moving forward. I.e. £20m CB options so money is spent elsewhere. There's good value out there for younger CBs, and if you've got Schar/Botman on books next season, plenty of quality and experience to learn from and develop.

[The College Dropout]

I don’t think he’ll fetch the market people think he will. Unless it’s less than £50m - I don’t see Liverpool or City being involved. 
 

[AJ9]

Tend to agree, maybe Liverpool, but I don’t see a market for him at the other clubs mentioned, he’s not that good, and not worth that much

[Kimbo]

I don’t see where he fits at Liverpool. Konate is better than him and surely he’s not a Van Dijk replacement.

[gbandit]

There’s no way he’d fill the role of Van Dijk but then no one would come close to him at his peak 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Konate’s about the same level I would say. 

[The College Dropout]

19 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Konate’s about the same level I would say. 

At his best Konate has everything.  Dominant in the air. Quick.  Can bring it out. Can play a good pass.  
 

I don’t pay attention to him enough to know about his concentration, positioning etc. but at his best he’s dominant and commanding. Guehi doesn’t have those minerals.  

[Kimbo]

I think Konate would be rated much higher if not for his injury record. He’s always been in and out of the team. Liverpool have Quansah as his long term backup/replacement though.

[gbandit]

I do question Guehi’s “nice guy” credentials a bit. It’s great that he doesn’t kick up a fuss and is loyal and should be lauded for that. However, it doesn’t scream ambition. Maybe he just didn’t fancy the toon and if that’s the case, fair enough but if he did really want to come then maybe his character is too passive to become one of the best in his position 

[Vaj]

12 minutes ago, gbandit said:

I do question Guehi’s “nice guy” credentials a bit. It’s great that he doesn’t kick up a fuss and is loyal and should be lauded for that. However, it doesn’t scream ambition. Maybe he just didn’t fancy the toon and if that’s the case, fair enough but if he did really want to come then maybe his character is too passive to become one of the best in his position 

 

I think it is more that he would like to join Newcastle but knows if nothing is agreed he could get better than us in 12 months time. He is in a good position with his contract running down, his only issue could then become complacency as he knows he isn't there long term. 

[The College Dropout]

32 minutes ago, gbandit said:

I do question Guehi’s “nice guy” credentials a bit. It’s great that he doesn’t kick up a fuss and is loyal and should be lauded for that. However, it doesn’t scream ambition. Maybe he just didn’t fancy the toon and if that’s the case, fair enough but if he did really want to come then maybe his character is too passive to become one of the best in his position 

He’ll be hoping for one of the established big 6. 

[Upthemags]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He’s worth what a club is willing to pay - stats don’t necessarily determine value.  For what it’s worth, the lad has always looked pretty good to me 

You're right, and considering no other clubs, bar us, were offering up 60m for him, we can wager his FMV is a good deal lower.

[TheBrownBottle]

25 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

You're right, and considering no other clubs, bar us, were offering up 60m for him, we can wager his FMV is a good deal lower.

His value was £60m, then

[rebelrouser]

our negotiations with CP:

[Upthemags]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

His value was £60m, then

Not really how FMV works. Same reason an interested party transaction's (e.g., a training kit sponsorship from a PIF-owned entity) fair market value isn't simply what a single entity would pay for such an asset.

 

Interesting that there's pushback on this score though, considering just about everyone, on this board and otherwise, seems to have found a consensus that Guehi was marked up a third, if not double his true value.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Upthemags said:

Not really how FMV works. Same reason an interested party transaction's (e.g., a training kit sponsorship from a PIF-owned entity) fair market value isn't simply what a single entity would pay for such an asset.

 

Interesting that there's pushback on this score though, considering just about everyone, on this board and otherwise, seems to have found a consensus that Guehi was marked up a third, if not double his true value.

‘Double his true value’

 

Based on what?

[Lush Vlad]

He cost £20m 3-4 years ago as a relative unknown in comparison to now. But he’s only worth £30-40m in today’s market, despite the fact he’s massively improved as a player, now plays for England and fees have gone up considerably in that time. 

 

Sounds a bit off, to me. 

[gazza ladra]

Is there a site or report that examines the accuracy of Transfermarkt's player valuations?
 

They've got Guehi at 38 million euros.

[Alberto2005]

1 minute ago, gazza ladra said:

Is there a site or report that examines the accuracy of Transfermarkt's player valuations?
 

They've got Guehi at 38 million euros.

They're always lower than what players actually go for.

 

Sure last time I checked Isak was valued at 75m.

[khay]

38 Million is about right for next summer when he has a year left on his contract. I'd have said 50 million this summer. But Palace did not want or need to sell so could keep asking for more. If he is who we want hopefully we can get him cheaper now but I cannot see it being till next summer now. Ideally a cheaper deal after palace go down.