Newcastle United 3-3 Liverpool - 4/12/24

[NEEJ]

His finish for the offside goal was also mint. Has a tremendous ability to hit a ball with little to no backlift. Was so flat. 

[Irish Magpie]

52 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

Anything been called out in the papers about the ref and his inability to allow a break away final attack?

I was foaming about that, couldn't believe he would stop the game there with such a promising attack well underway.

 

Still, a great game with some super goals and the obligatory 'ups and downs'.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

38 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Hardest test now on Saturday. Away to Brentford who are silly strong at home this season.
 

Don’t know how, because they’re proper shit away so that has to catch up with home form soon.

 

Villa / Leicester home, with Brentford and Ipswich away. If we are to have ambitions of Europe, then it’s 12 points minimum and a League Cup SF to come. Because Man Utd / Spurs away after are hard games against sides we need to finish above, so can’t afford any more silly dropped points.

If 12 is the minimum from 4 games what is the realistic maximum?

[PauloGeordio]

70mph thunderbastard 🥶

[OCOCOL]

42 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Hardest test now on Saturday. Away to Brentford who are silly strong at home this season.
 

Don’t know how, because they’re proper shit away so that has to catch up with home form soon.

 

Villa / Leicester home, with Brentford and Ipswich away. If we are to have ambitions of Europe, then it’s 12 points minimum and a League Cup SF to come. Because Man Utd / Spurs away after are hard games against sides we need to finish above, so can’t afford any more silly dropped points.

QF first mate but hope we’re in the Semis after 

[OCOCOL]

9 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

Can’t be arsed to go through the games where he’s not been on the bench, but any correlation to us playing well/with intensity with trippier out the picture?

 No

[CheikBoom]

Great performance last night, just a shame every error seems to be punished at the moment. Salah unplayable the second half, but we really should have been out of sight at HT. 

 

Tonali and Isak our standout players. Tonali should be the deeper lying CM IMO, his athleticism really helps us when he's in a slightly deeper role. Isak also much much better when he comes deep into a 10 position to link up play. 

 

Special shout out to co-comms last night. Not usually bothered about commentary but the constant fawning over Liverpool was never ending. You'd have thought we'd been playing prime Barcelona. They're an undoubtedly a briiliant team but the constant adjulation is annoying. 

[OCOCOL]

Sorry it’s a forum so I should elaborate but I personally think that’s absolute shite. I still think Tripps had a lot to offer 

[Cf]

Switch which teams Salah and Murphy play for around and we more than comfortably win that match. 

[Crimson Cardigan]

4 minutes ago, Cf said:

Switch which teams Salah and Murphy play for around and we more than comfortably win that match. 

I’m sure they say the same with Isak and Nunez

[Paully]

 

[Conjo]

Has there been any media discussion around the decision to end the game in the middle of our counter? They didn't discuss it at all post game in the Norwegian studio. Just wondering if its only us that are raging about it, perhaps wrongly, since nobody else seems to talk about it

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Conjo

[Benwell Lad]

16 minutes ago, Conjo said:

Has there been any media discussion around the decision to end the game in the middle of our counter? They didn't discuss it at all post game in the Norwegian studio. Just wondering if its only us that are raging about it, perhaps wrongly, since nobody else seems to talk about it

 

 

 

Liverpool make that break he plays it to a conclusion without doubt.

[Conjo]

Just now, Benwell Lad said:

Liverpool make that break he plays it to a conclusion without doubt.

 

That's my feeling too. Only thing I can think of is that the ref might have been thinking it was us that took so long to take the free kick prior, so it was not fair to extend the OT on our behalf....?

[Karjala]

2 hours ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Gordon's first big chance, Murphy Hit the post, Murphy 1 on 1, Isak's marginal offside and probable penalty are big chances that quickly come to mind for us too. Not to mention I think VVD was "lucky" not receive punishment for his deliberate and cynical foul on Gordon.

 

Gordon's chance in the first half and Murphy's in the second are the sort of chances top players put in.

Not really surprised with Murphy, he shouldn't be starting games for a team with ambitions to be at the top, but Gordon needs to do better if he thinks he's up there with the best. 

That Isak potential penalty would have had the commentators raging if it was Salah at the other end, and no doubt Var would have had a long look and gave it. 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Karjala

[Bally21]

Really enjoyable game, played well, and thundercunt of a strike from isak.

 

Just a shame about the ref, the penalty claim, vvd on Gordon are one thing, but the ref blowing full time when he did was fucking disgusting.

 

Refs always play until a natural break in play.. not last night.... we all know if it's salah clean through then the ref plays on.

 

I was at match so can only imagine how the commentators and pundits quickly brushed over and dismissed vvd, penalty claim and ref blowing whistle.

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Paully said:

 

Add that to the stonewall penalty we were denied by a shit, blind ref and corrupt VAR team! We should've had the 3 points.
Ref's call my arse!

[Mattoon]

Major red top bias played out last night and we still claimed a draw, the foul on Gordon in the box, the blatant stonewall pen against Isak and the whistle in a promising counter attack. As blatant as it gets, yet we still came out on top, class.

[Cronky]

There is some disappointment that we didn't win, but the game showed that we can beat anybody. We're not a very technical side, so we have difficulty breaking teams down when they play defensively, but we look a decent bet for a Cup. 

 

At last, Tonali is playing with a bit of fire in his belly, which I think was one of the main qualities that encouraged Eddie to sign him. There were also signs that the Tonali-Bruno partnership could work well. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but I'm getting more optimistic. Eddie has this habit of getting things right.

[Benwell Lad]

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

 

That's my feeling too. Only thing I can think of is that the ref might have been thinking it was us that took so long to take the free kick prior, so it was not fair to extend the OT on our behalf....?

You're being very reasonable there, and that's fair enough, but situations reversed he plays it to a conclusion.

[Hovagod]

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

 

That's my feeling too. Only thing I can think of is that the ref might have been thinking it was us that took so long to take the free kick prior, so it was not fair to extend the OT on our behalf....?

Possibly, but that should not have been a factor in the decision

[Cronky]

Refs will allow an extra bit of time for an attacking set piece to be taken, but will then blow up once that particular situation is over. Unless someone is saying that the 5 minutes hadn't elapsed, it was consistent with practice to blow up once the Liverpool set-piece attack had broken down.

 

We were unlucky with the Isak pen. It was a foul, but a difficult spot for the ref and then it failed on the 'clear and obvious' criterion.

 

The Van Dijk incident was odd, but he was given the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning that his mind may have been elsewhere. I don't think he's a vicious player, and I'd have thought he was way too professional to deliberately clobber a player in open view like that. But it could have gone either way.

 

I'm not a fan of the conspiratorial theory of refereeing. If it happens at all, I think it's rare in our leagues.

[Elma]

Looking at the ref's calls, I'm not sure I see any bias. There were a few calls either side could have a whinge about. I think the foul on Isak was a pen and wouldn't have been overturned if given on field - however, Longstaff's tug on the shirt could also have been given. With the final break, it's difficult to call as the TV images weren't great and you can't hear the whistle, but my gut feeling is Madley blew as it was leaving Pope's hands. It was over the recommended minimum of 5 mins and with the ball in the keeper's hands a good time to blow up. Pope (unusually) got us moving quickly, but you can see their defenders slowing up already which maybe left our break looking more dangerous than it otherwise would have been. Just poor timing but if anyone in the ground can confirm the whistle went much later then I'd revisit that.

 

I thought for the foul that led to Nunez's yellow (for dissent) there was barely any contact and Gordon manufactured it. In fact a couple of their yellows seemed soft. The main incident for me was VVD on Gordon. You can see the way he leans in with his hips to brace his body it's intentional but he makes sure he keeps his arm straight so that contact is with the shoulder and gives VAR (I wouldn't expect Madley to pick that up on field) little to work with. Very snidey and in an ideal world that gets picked up on.

 

One thing in general which is disappointing, is that for Isak's pen call and other situations we've had this year it seems refs are now bottling those calls and falling back on VAR, but with VAR becoming more light touch they aren't getting given. Perhaps that's not the worst thing as it's setting the penalty bar a bit higher, but it's infuriating when a call like that gets overlooked for your team. As I say, last night I felt there was a decent pen shout for both sides so at least Madley was consistent.

 

[Wullie]

Jack Stephens getting a red for pulling Cucurella's hair on the same night as Van Dijk gets away with that is farcical. The shoulder is a body part that tends to get away with whatever the fuck it wants. I thought straight away of Rudiger very obviously and deliberately shattering Kevin De Bruyne's cheekbone in the Champions League final and getting away with it because shoulder is fine.

[DahnSahf]

Ref watch just been on. Covered Longstaff's grappling, BDB 'hand ball', no mention whatsoever of the absolutely blatant trip on Isak!

I fucking hate Sky.