Mattoon Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Major red top bias played out last night and we still claimed a draw, the foul on Gordon in the box, the blatant stonewall pen against Isak and the whistle in a promising counter attack. As blatant as it gets, yet we still came out on top, class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 There is some disappointment that we didn't win, but the game showed that we can beat anybody. We're not a very technical side, so we have difficulty breaking teams down when they play defensively, but we look a decent bet for a Cup. At last, Tonali is playing with a bit of fire in his belly, which I think was one of the main qualities that encouraged Eddie to sign him. There were also signs that the Tonali-Bruno partnership could work well. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but I'm getting more optimistic. Eddie has this habit of getting things right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, Conjo said: That's my feeling too. Only thing I can think of is that the ref might have been thinking it was us that took so long to take the free kick prior, so it was not fair to extend the OT on our behalf....? You're being very reasonable there, and that's fair enough, but situations reversed he plays it to a conclusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, Conjo said: That's my feeling too. Only thing I can think of is that the ref might have been thinking it was us that took so long to take the free kick prior, so it was not fair to extend the OT on our behalf....? Possibly, but that should not have been a factor in the decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Refs will allow an extra bit of time for an attacking set piece to be taken, but will then blow up once that particular situation is over. Unless someone is saying that the 5 minutes hadn't elapsed, it was consistent with practice to blow up once the Liverpool set-piece attack had broken down. We were unlucky with the Isak pen. It was a foul, but a difficult spot for the ref and then it failed on the 'clear and obvious' criterion. The Van Dijk incident was odd, but he was given the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning that his mind may have been elsewhere. I don't think he's a vicious player, and I'd have thought he was way too professional to deliberately clobber a player in open view like that. But it could have gone either way. I'm not a fan of the conspiratorial theory of refereeing. If it happens at all, I think it's rare in our leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Looking at the ref's calls, I'm not sure I see any bias. There were a few calls either side could have a whinge about. I think the foul on Isak was a pen and wouldn't have been overturned if given on field - however, Longstaff's tug on the shirt could also have been given. With the final break, it's difficult to call as the TV images weren't great and you can't hear the whistle, but my gut feeling is Madley blew as it was leaving Pope's hands. It was over the recommended minimum of 5 mins and with the ball in the keeper's hands a good time to blow up. Pope (unusually) got us moving quickly, but you can see their defenders slowing up already which maybe left our break looking more dangerous than it otherwise would have been. Just poor timing but if anyone in the ground can confirm the whistle went much later then I'd revisit that. I thought for the foul that led to Nunez's yellow (for dissent) there was barely any contact and Gordon manufactured it. In fact a couple of their yellows seemed soft. The main incident for me was VVD on Gordon. You can see the way he leans in with his hips to brace his body it's intentional but he makes sure he keeps his arm straight so that contact is with the shoulder and gives VAR (I wouldn't expect Madley to pick that up on field) little to work with. Very snidey and in an ideal world that gets picked up on. One thing in general which is disappointing, is that for Isak's pen call and other situations we've had this year it seems refs are now bottling those calls and falling back on VAR, but with VAR becoming more light touch they aren't getting given. Perhaps that's not the worst thing as it's setting the penalty bar a bit higher, but it's infuriating when a call like that gets overlooked for your team. As I say, last night I felt there was a decent pen shout for both sides so at least Madley was consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Jack Stephens getting a red for pulling Cucurella's hair on the same night as Van Dijk gets away with that is farcical. The shoulder is a body part that tends to get away with whatever the fuck it wants. I thought straight away of Rudiger very obviously and deliberately shattering Kevin De Bruyne's cheekbone in the Champions League final and getting away with it because shoulder is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Ref watch just been on. Covered Longstaff's grappling, BDB 'hand ball', no mention whatsoever of the absolutely blatant trip on Isak! I fucking hate Sky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 42 minutes ago, Cronky said: Refs will allow an extra bit of time for an attacking set piece to be taken, but will then blow up once that particular situation is over. Unless someone is saying that the 5 minutes hadn't elapsed, it was consistent with practice to blow up once the Liverpool set-piece attack had broken down. We were unlucky with the Isak pen. It was a foul, but a difficult spot for the ref and then it failed on the 'clear and obvious' criterion. The Van Dijk incident was odd, but he was given the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning that his mind may have been elsewhere. I don't think he's a vicious player, and I'd have thought he was way too professional to deliberately clobber a player in open view like that. But it could have gone either way. I'm not a fan of the conspiratorial theory of refereeing. If it happens at all, I think it's rare in our leagues. Surely it’s clear and obvious if the video shows a foul and the referee missed it. That’s a massive error that changes a game. This is the part of the VAR guidelines that make no sense. If it’s a penalty, give a penalty. That’s the only way it should work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 7 minutes ago, DahnSahf said: Ref watch just been on. Covered Longstaff's grappling, BDB 'hand ball', no mention whatsoever of the absolutely blatant trip on Isak! I fucking hate Sky. What about van Dijk on Gordon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 minute ago, Sima said: What about van Dijk on Gordon? Dermot said it wasn't a clenched fist with rapid movement of the elbow, so the VAR would consider it just a collision as they were running together! It wasn't his elbow at all you daft cunt, it was his shoulder, and they weren't running together, vD ran towards him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 I can probably think of only just a handful of world class performances I've seen at SJP from opposition players but that second half from Salah was unbelievable Best I've seen for a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) Ones off the top of my head are probably: Scholes in the 2-6 loss Yaya Toure in the 0-2 loss under Pardew Gerrard in the 1-5 loss in the first relegation season Probably some more I'm trying to remember Edited December 5 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Has that cunt Madeley been hauled up in front of cameras to explain that fucking whistle in the 95th? Was there any discussion about that at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 minute ago, Mike said: Has that cunt Madeley been hauled up in front of cameras to explain that fucking whistle in the 95th? Was there any discussion about that at all? It was pointed out on ref watch that he blew just after Pope threw the ball, but no mention of whether more than 5 minutes should have been added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 I’m not clear exactly when the time ticked over to 95. Was it before our counter started? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 minute ago, DahnSahf said: It was pointed out on ref watch that he blew just after Pope threw the ball, but no mention of whether more than 5 minutes should have been added. Is ref watch staffed with former refs? I have an opinion on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 You will never see a top four/legacy PL club have their attack blown dead in that moment as long as you fucking live. Robot refs today. Put the cunts out of a job and on the street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 minute ago, Mike said: Is ref watch staffed with former refs? I have an opinion on it. 😄 One former ref. Dermot Gallagher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 We’ve had some awful decisions v Liverpool in recent years. I don’t think there’s any mad conspiracy but it’s also too common for it to be coincidence. Some sort of big club bias. The Salah pen he got when Dummet touched his hand still sticks in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Expected an improved performance and we got that in abundance. Probably should've won the game; Gordon's got to make it 2-0 just before HT and I felt in the 10 minutes before they scored their 3rd we needed fresh legs on but we didn't get them on until after they scored. Was fewwwwming. How the ref blows for time when he did is beyond me, there was a check for a nonsensical penalty after their players were whinging which should've added time on. Regardless, I'm still a miserable cunt; don't think any corners have been turned unless we can back it up against Brentford 2x, Leicester and Ipswich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I’m not clear exactly when the time ticked over to 95. Was it before our counter started? It had ticked over 95 before Pope threw it. I'm not entirely sure when the whistle went. Really it should have been before the throw. But once the ball has been thrown and there is a clear attacking chance on convention is to allow that attack to happen, especially as time was only just up and there had been stoppages in there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I’m not clear exactly when the time ticked over to 95. Was it before our counter started? Off the cuff I think so, 'cause IIRC the final ET was 95:15. Can't be absolutely certain though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Interesting. Part of the problem is that nobody knows what is considered when calculating added time. Or are there rules about it? Like, if you haven’t been booked for time wasting than presumably you haven’t wasted any time. I don’t really know exactly what gets added on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) We took at least 2 minutes for Isak to take that freekick at the edge of the box so there definitely should have been added time on top of the allotted 5 minutes. Edited December 5 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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