BlazeT44 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 3 minutes ago, Mike said: He's absolutely brilliant at what he does. I agree he's great (statistics show he's a quality finisher), but for me a World Class player is top 5 in their position worldwide. Maybe that's just my definition though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Just now, BlazeT44 said: I agree he's great (statistics show he's a quality finisher), but for me a World Class player is top 5 in their position worldwide. Maybe that's just my definition though Yeah def not top 5. By that criteria only Isak is world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Just now, Mike said: Yeah def not top 5. By that criteria only Isak is world class. Now that I can 100% get behind. And weirdly, I think he's vastly underrated by a lot of football fans that don't watch him week in week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Think you could make a case for them being in multiple categories based on how they're used and who with tbh. Eg I think Barnes can be a top 4 impact sub, an upper mid-table starter with good cover behind him, lower mid-table without. Half of them fit into future potential as well. My best attempt: Top 4: Isak Bruno Top 6: Botman (potentially top 4) Gordon (potentially top 4) Joelinton Barnes (top 4 impact, top 10 starter, I split the difference) Top 10: Hall (strong potential for top 4) Pope Willock (would be top 6 without fitness problems) Tonali (potentially top 4 but we're yet to see it here) Livramento (potentially top 4) Top 20: Schar (age only) Burn (age only) Trippier (age and circumstances) Longstaff Wilson (age and injuries) Kelly Murphy Targett (depends on injuries) Krafth Lascelles Below 20: Almiron Dubravka Future Prospects: Miley Unknown: Osula Future Prospects and Unknown aside I'd categorise top 20 onwards as not good enough or as useful squad players going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 19 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Maybe not right now but he will be. Possibly, for me he will need to learn to defend better, have more physicality, every chance he will but for me not a top 4 player currently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Think you could make a case for them being in multiple categories based on how they're used and who with tbh. Eg I think Barnes can be a top 4 impact sub, an upper mid-table starter with good cover behind him, lower mid-table without. Half of them fit into future potential as well. Very good point. You can think of it like this - if the Saudis bought us years before FFP (ala Man City), who would you want to keep to seriously challenge and who would you replace? For me, the answer would be: Pope (2nd choice or move on) Livramento (potential) Hall (potential) Botman Schar or Burn (as 4th choice CB) Bruno Tonali Joelinton (as 5th choice CM and muscle) Gordon Barnes (impact sub) Isak First 11 with the sub in brackets: New GK (Pope) Hall, Livramento (New LB/RB) Botman, New CB (Young CB, Schar/Burn) Bruno (New CM) Tonali New CM (Joelinton) Gordon (Barnes) New Winger Isak (New CF/RW) I believe that team could seriously challenge depending on the quality of additions. We've got a very good spine, which all teams need. That's 8 new players though. Edited December 8 by BlazeT44 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Not going to rate the full squad but Bruno and Gordon aren’t Top 4 and never will be. Bruno is just too slow for the very top and Gordon’s end product and finishing isn’t anywhere near good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, Mike said: Generational Talent Isak World Class Sandro Bruno Barnes Tremendous Potential Hall High potential Tino Miley Class Gordon Joe aSometimes maybe good asometimes maybe shit Willock Miggy Burn Pope Murphy Longstaff Fading Schar Tripps Injured Wilson ? ? ? ? Osula Barnes, world class? I just don't see it. Clinical finisher but very one dimensional and just doesn't work hard enough for the team. We always look weaker down the left when he plays, and does not cover back enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Just now, Oregon_Geordie said: Barnes, world class? I just don't see it. Clinical finisher but very one dimensional and just doesn't work hard enough for the team. We always look weaker down the left when he plays, and does not cover back enough. We can't carry him because we don't have players that are strong enough where he's weak, so he's an impact sub for us at best but his skillset to me is world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiddyLevine Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Isak Gordon Tonali Bruno Botman Top 8 Hall Tino Schar Big Joe Barnes Miley Top 12 Everyone else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, Mike said: Generational Talent Isak World Class Sandro Bruno Barnes Tremendous Potential Hall High potential Tino Miley Class Gordon Joe aSometimes maybe good asometimes maybe shit Willock Miggy Burn Pope Murphy Longstaff Fading Schar Tripps Injured Wilson ? ? ? ? Osula I'd probably put Barnes into Class, and re-name the "sometimes" category to "capable of being elevated to decent by those around them". I'd also put Tino in with Hall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 minute ago, Beren said: I'd probably put Barnes into Class, and re-name the "sometimes" category to "capable of being elevated to decent by those around them". I'd also put Tino in with Hall. I will happily die on the Barnes is world class hill. Happily. Tino will be class but Hall is going to be the fucking devil. Willock is the biggest mystery to me, honestly. If he could stay fit he could be like our Muller but will that ever happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, KingArthur said: Naah, Gordon is a classic English winger, lots of running but not a lot of brain. If he had Barnes finishing instincts he’d be World Class IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Depends who they play against, one minute top class, next crap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 41 minutes ago, Mike said: We can't carry him because we don't have players that are strong enough where he's weak, so he's an impact sub for us at best but his skillset to me is world class. His skillset is hitting a sweet shot with his right foot. That is world class tbf, but I don't think the rest of his skillset is enough for a left winger. He's got England's LB behind him, Joeinton and Isak who can link on the left ahead. He's not exactly being left isolated on that side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 40 minutes ago, TRon said: His skillset is hitting a sweet shot with his right foot. That is world class tbf, but I don't think the rest of his skillset is enough for a left winger. He's got England's LB behind him, Joeinton and Isak who can link on the left ahead. He's not exactly being left isolated on that side. Our major issue is getting the ball in advantageous spots in the final third. When we do, he scores. Like, he invariably scores when we do. He knows exactly what he's capable of and puts himself in a position to do it, and he does it with world class consistency. Is he world class in our team? No, not even Isak is world class in our team. But he's absolutely world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Just now, Mike said: Our major issue is getting the ball in advantageous spots in the final third. When we do, he scores. Like, he invariably scores when we do. He knows exactly what he's capable of and puts himself in a position to do it, and he does it with world class consistency. Is he world class in our team? No, not even Isak is world class in our team. But he's absolutely world class. But it's one of his remits to get the ball into advantageous positions in the final third. That's what left wingers do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 2 hours ago, Mike said: He's absolutely brilliant at what he does. But nothing at what wingers are supposed to do - chip in with goals aside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Puts things in perspective mind. We've an upper midtable squad and will ultimately (usually have to date) get upper-midtable outcomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) Literally can base it on MVP since we are indoctrinated with United States corny shite. On Value to us and market value. 1. Isak 25yrs 100m 2.Bruno 27yrs 80m 3.Gordon 23yrs 60m 4.Sven 24yrs 55m 5.Tonali 24yrs 50m 6.Joelinton 28yrs 40m 7.Livramento 22yrs 40m 8.Barnes 26yrs 40m 9.Hall 20yrs 35m 10.Willock 25yrs 30m 11.Pope 32yrs 25m 12.Miley 18yrs 22m 13.Longstaff 27yrs 19m 14.Kelly 26yrs 19m 15.Miggy 30yrs 15m 16.Wilson 32yrs 12m 17.Trippier 34yrs 10m 18.Targett 29yrs 9m 19.Schar 32yrs 8m 20.Burn 32yrs 8m 21.Osula 21yrs 7m 22.Lascelles 31yrs 7m 23.Murphy 29yrs 7m 24.Odysseas 30yrs 7m 25.Krafth 30yrs 5m 26.Dubravka 35yrs 2m Many I've not included, either raw or no value. Info from: https://m.aiscore.com/salary/team-newcastle-united-2j374oiy4nirqo6 Can someone please explain why Lloyd Kelly is allegedly on 150k pw ? This is more likely what Paul Mitchel could have been eluding to regarding our business being daft, tripling his salary because he's a free agent, ridiculous if true, ive looked around online many sources claim it is possible. Edited December 8 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Isak Botman, possibly Bruno, normally Top 6 Gordon Tonali Willock Tripps, if he gets his act together, getting too old though Hall, potentially Tino, potentially Top 10 Joelinton Barnes Pope Schär Miley, possibly Kelly, possibly, haven't seen enough yet Top 20/not good enough/past it Burn Longstaff Wilson Targett Krafth Lascelles Murphy Almiron Dubs ? Osula Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keggy_Keagal Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Two categories for me. Must keep: Isak Bruno Gordon Joelinton Hall Livramento Tonali Miley If the price is right get rid: Everyone else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 2 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said: Two categories for me. Must keep: Isak Bruno Gordon Joelinton Hall Livramento Tonali Miley If the price is right get rid: Everyone else Literally the combined total of selling everyone else is probably less than selling one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nepharite said: If he had Barnes finishing instincts he’d be World Class IMO. Yea agree. He just lacks something. I would sell Bruno (lack of pace) or Joelinton. But I guess neither of them will be sold under Howe. Edited December 8 by KingArthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 To be top 4 rank, even top 6 IMO, you have to be good with the ball and in tight spaces. Even as a defender. Likes of Joelinton not that, likes of Hall definitely that. We are far better than our current performances showing, but if we got a manager that insisted on playing through the lines/get ball on half turn, some of our players would be really bad quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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