Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Newcastle United (04/01/25)

[Theregulars]

6 minutes ago, Heron said:

There's more to suggest that tbf.

Is it not just fans collectively pissy at cumulative bad decisions? I’m pretty confident if spurs scored in the same circumstances as our opener, we’d be livid. It’s the nature of the sport - some decisions are open to interpretation. It’s not a leap of logic to suggest that the ball hitting his hand played a key role in the equaliser. 
 

In the broader sense I accept we have more “conspiracy points” in the bank as a non-cartel club, but we’re acting like spurs fans are cretins and moral retards when actually their team is going through a very difficult patch and played well enough yesterday, despite many factors against them, to earn a point at least. 
 

Postecoglou doesn’t help because his “world against us” schtick isn’t convincing, and it’s clear that his words and actions aren’t aligned (all easy breezy here mate at start of game and spitting wild nonsense after it). But I’d not laugh at them for conspiracy chat; we are as self-indulgent as any other club in this regard. 
 

To be clear I don’t like Spurs and found yesterday’s proceedings deliciously amusing.

[Stifler]

5 hours ago, Menace said:

It's funny how he went from being a breath of fresh air, to a moaning cunt all relatively quickly.

I called it when he arrived, people would tire of him.

[gdm]

4 hours ago, St1pe said:

Same. 
 

Unlike the Duran decision the other week which I thought was obvious, we’ve gained an advantage and scored from a ball to hand or handball (whatever they want to call it). I’d be fuming. 

I just can’t get on board with this. The ball is booted off his hand by a player on the stretch from a yard away. I’d be more raging if Joelinton gets penalised for the actions of a spurs player 

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Is it not just fans collectively pissy at cumulative bad decisions? I’m pretty confident if spurs scored in the same circumstances as our opener, we’d be livid. It’s the nature of the sport - some decisions are open to interpretation. It’s not a leap of logic to suggest that the ball hitting his hand played a key role in the equaliser. 
 

In the broader sense I accept we have more “conspiracy points” in the bank as a non-cartel club, but we’re acting like spurs fans are cretins and moral retards when actually their team is going through a very difficult patch and played well enough yesterday, despite many factors against them, to earn a point at least. 
 

Postecoglou doesn’t help because his “world against us” schtick isn’t convincing, and it’s clear that his words and actions aren’t aligned (all easy breezy here mate at start of game and spitting wild nonsense after it). But I’d not laugh at them for conspiracy chat; we are as self-indulgent as any other club in this regard. 
 

To be clear I don’t like Spurs and found yesterday’s proceedings deliciously amusing.

 

What is amusing is the lack of awareness around the Gordon decision and Botman Yellow though, which - for me is a lack of balance despite Spurs claiming it is others showing a lack of balance.

 

I think (personally) I am aware of most of my own biases but the comments I've seen and heard of Spurs' fans seem to be entirely void of any self awareness of said biases.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:18 by Heron

[Displayname]

3 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Is it not just fans collectively pissy at cumulative bad decisions? I’m pretty confident if spurs scored in the same circumstances as our opener, we’d be livid. It’s the nature of the sport - some decisions are open to interpretation. It’s not a leap of logic to suggest that the ball hitting his hand played a key role in the equaliser. 
 

In the broader sense I accept we have more “conspiracy points” in the bank as a non-cartel club, but we’re acting like spurs fans are cretins and moral retards when actually their team is going through a very difficult patch and played well enough yesterday, despite many factors against them, to earn a point at least. 
 

Postecoglou doesn’t help because his “world against us” schtick isn’t convincing, and it’s clear that his words and actions aren’t aligned (all easy breezy here mate at start of game and spitting wild nonsense after it). But I’d not laugh at them for conspiracy chat; we are as self-indulgent as any other club in this regard. 
 

To be clear I don’t like Spurs and found yesterday’s proceedings deliciously amusing.

I can understand people thinking that it should be a handball, but I cant understand people thinking the refs are out to get them just because they are following the very simple rules. There really is no arguing whether the goal should stand based on the current rules. 

 

Was it accidental? Yes

Was his hand in a natural position? Yes

Did the same player score the goal directly after the "handball"? No

 

Easy as that.

[Theregulars]

Just now, Heron said:

 

What is amusing is the lack of awareness around the Gordon decision and Botman Yellow though, which - for me is a lack of balance despite Spurs claiming it isnithers showing a lack of balance.

I have to say I don’t think the Gordon incident was a penalty. The Botman one shows inconsistency, I agree. You are right to say that Spurs can get bent if they think the officiating was biased in our favour yesterday. 
 

If I were a spurs fan, my bigger question would be why does my club have the lowest wages-to-turnover ratio (47%)? To my mind, it’s quite obvious that Levy operates them mainly as a money-making machine for ownership, and competitiveness is very much a second-tier objective. Pochettino wasn’t backed when he’d earned the right to be, Mourinho was an insane hire, and they’ve actually not spent very well since they had their amazing period under Pochettino. For some reason the spurs fans don’t seem to turn on ownership, but their ownership has led them to mid-table.

[Andy]

7 minutes ago, gdm said:

I just can’t get on board with this. The ball is booted off his hand by a player on the stretch from a yard away. I’d be more raging if Joelinton gets penalised for the actions of a spurs player 

 

Aye, for me a goal should never be disallowed for that unless it can be reasonably determined as a deliberate act. The whole phase of play leading to the goal was extremely poor by Spurs, and it's been overlooked due to a decision that isn't even controversial under the rules. 

[KingArthur]

Howe has used this hybrid 5-4-1 against Spurs everytime. Last season it was Anderson who moved to defensive line and yesterday Murphy. IIRC Joelinton was doing that at SJP earlier. Interesting choice which certainly will be copied by others.

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, KingArthur said:

Howe has used this hybrid 5-4-1 against Spurs everytime. Last season it was Anderson who moved to defensive line and yesterday Murphy. IIRC Joelinton was doing that at SJP earlier. Interesting choice which certainly will be copied by others.

Howe's no good at tactics, though. I read that on here.

[Tiresias]

Just now, KingArthur said:

Howe has used this hybrid 5-4-1 against Spurs everytime. Last season it was Anderson who moved to defensive line and yesterday Murphy. IIRC Joelinton was doing that at SJP earlier. Interesting choice which certainly will be copied by others.

 

Howe never gets any credit for being adaptable tactically. Howe has a style of play that he likes and we play but he tweaks and changes where and when needed. Not sure why not bothering to do this counts as principled. 

[Tiresias]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

Howe's no good at tactics, though. I read that on here.

 

I mean i've been guilty of frustration when things bit rough have to admit. He can be stubborn with players staying in the team etc...

[Groundhog63]

6 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

I mean i've been guilty of frustration when things bit rough have to admit. He can be stubborn with players staying in the team etc...

He basically said as much himself in his post match presser. Gave a reasoned argument for it whilst accepting it's effect on our small squad

[Danh1]

41 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

Hmmm maybe. I do find i am more lenient on keepers than some. My partner always thinks its  keepers fault it seems and i'm not sure. I often think the keepers people rave at are often given an easy time by a defence that doesnt let people shoot very easily so always making spectacular looking saves from long shots that actually they will save those 9 times out of 10 regardless

I play in goal myself (well, used to) so definitely agree people give keepers a hard time.

 

I rate Pickford very highly, the amount of points he’s won Everton is unreal. Yeah he makes the odd daft mistake but when you’re as busy as him, it’s going to happen. 

[Rafalove]

 

[Lush Vlad]

26 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

I have to say I don’t think the Gordon incident was a penalty. The Botman one shows inconsistency, I agree. You are right to say that Spurs can get bent if they think the officiating was biased in our favour yesterday. 
 

If I were a spurs fan, my bigger question would be why does my club have the lowest wages-to-turnover ratio (47%)? To my mind, it’s quite obvious that Levy operates them mainly as a money-making machine for ownership, and competitiveness is very much a second-tier objective. Pochettino wasn’t backed when he’d earned the right to be, Mourinho was an insane hire, and they’ve actually not spent very well since they had their amazing period under Pochettino. For some reason the spurs fans don’t seem to turn on ownership, but their ownership has led them to mid-table.

Maybe not enough and they don’t protest as much as they should. But speak to any Spurs fan about Levy and they’ll say different. They have a few chants against him ATM. 

[STM]

I wish there was an even playing field ange, that way two of your players would have got booked for leaving one on ours.

 

Both of which could have been interpreted as dangerous play. Thankfully, we aren't whiny little bitches. 

[STM]

3 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

You can see why players are desperate to leave.

[Donut]

Turns out Ange is just yet another whingeing prick. Feels soooo good to get the 3 points here. 

[pedro111]

Biggest takeaway for me from the last week I think is the mental barrier we have broken through to win against the so called big teams away from home. 

[Holloway]

27 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

haha that's great 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

12 hours ago, Superior Acuña said:

Seeing that supposed handball properly on MotD that’s what they’re raging about. Totally correct. Both intuitively and to the letter. 

 

 

 

Even the Burn one was debatable to me, looks like it strikes him at or above the tshirt line which is not handball. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

1 hour ago, Heron said:

There's more to suggest that tbf.

A legal battle for the league, not involving the club, referred to the Newcastle Rules.

[David Edgar]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Even the Burn one was debatable to me, looks like it strikes him at or above the tshirt line which is not handball. 

 

They've moved that up a bit. IIRC, the ball struck Burn below the line so was technically handball.

 

 

I don't actually know for certain when a handball becomes a yellow card. I think it is gonna be contextual. And I think that Burn handball was borderline stopping a dangerous attack. 

 

 

[Danh1]

32 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

Biggest takeaway for me from the last week I think is the mental barrier we have broken through to win against the so called big teams away from home. 

Not often we win twice in 5 days away from home, let alone against the so called big 6. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Theregulars said:

Is it not just fans collectively pissy at cumulative bad decisions? I’m pretty confident if spurs scored in the same circumstances as our opener, we’d be livid. It’s the nature of the sport - some decisions are open to interpretation. It’s not a leap of logic to suggest that the ball hitting his hand played a key role in the equaliser. 
 

In the broader sense I accept we have more “conspiracy points” in the bank as a non-cartel club, but we’re acting like spurs fans are cretins and moral retards when actually their team is going through a very difficult patch and played well enough yesterday, despite many factors against them, to earn a point at least. 
 

Postecoglou doesn’t help because his “world against us” schtick isn’t convincing, and it’s clear that his words and actions aren’t aligned (all easy breezy here mate at start of game and spitting wild nonsense after it). But I’d not laugh at them for conspiracy chat; we are as self-indulgent as any other club in this regard. 
 

To be clear I don’t like Spurs and found yesterday’s proceedings deliciously amusing.

But how can you be livid at something that’s not an offence? You can be angry at the bad luck, yes, but that’s it. You can’t say it wasn’t fair or the decision was wrong, because it was correct.

 

Or you can say the rules need to be changed in future, but then that’s not what he said.  

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:47 by AyeDubbleYoo