Newcastle United 4-3 Notts Forest - 23/02

[Ashley17]

One of the strangest games I’ve ever been to. Forest barely completed a pass in the first 20 mins but were 1-0 up through our own incompetence. Played really well for 15 mins and scored four, which should have set up a carnival second half.

 

Instead we just couldn’t keep the ball and got really panicky. Burn in particular seemed to be completely off his tits, I don’t know if the wind was a factor but he was all over the place. Willock was good for an hour then his race was clearly run. Bruno was fairly erratic all day, Miley just kept it simple and took his goal well.

 

Sels is still shite, Wilson looked like he had played 90 when he came on and Murphy barely got anything right all game but at least he scored I suppose.

 

Glad to have won but not sure what we can take forward from this performance, just a mad day. Was sat up next to the away fans and one probably 20 nothing year old was giving it the bigun until we scored, he left before half time and didn’t come back.

[Kid Icarus]

Very interesting reading the Forest forum about how we're the team that knows how to undo everything they're good at counter-attack wise by also ignoring the midfield (like they do) and hitting them fast and hard down the flanks.

 

Obviously they changed tactics at half time and decided to press us, but I can't for the life of me work out why we found it hard to play one ball out and get us into one on one situations.

[Benwell Lad]

40 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

Must admit - I was having visions of QPR v Newcastle back in 1985, during the 2nd half (another for the older posters!)

I was even wondering if a 4-3 win would mean a replay at Goodison 

[Matt1892]

11 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Can someone provide a theory for why we’ve played so poorly in so many second halves this season? That one was a carbon copy of others where we’ve not held onto the ball for more than three passes at a time countless times. It also mirrored other games where we’ve just been camped in our own half and looked incredibly terrified of the ball 

I think teams make adjustments at half time when we are on top and we struggle to make a counter adjustment when the game is underway, when you mix that in with having players that do not excel at possession based football then you are going to give the ball away a lot and face wave after wave of attacks.

 

We used to have Pope go down with a fake injury so we could get the rest of the players together to make adjustments but we don’t do that any more either.

 

The other issue is our midfield shape and nobody playing in the #10 position, which means when we are pinned back that Isak drops in to this position and we have no outlet on the last man, which again results in us giving the ball away.

[RodneyCisse]

At times in the first half, as well as he did in moments, willocks lack of want to provide energy and find some space for a teammate are non existent.

[Shak]

We are no longer winless when I attend games! Those eleven minutes where we scored all our goals might be the best time I've had at a sporting event, just great fun.

 

I reckon the losses and draws before this were all far less stressful, mind you. I've never been so certain of anything in my life that they were gonna score an equaliser with their last attack.

 

Fucking drained after it

[GideonShandy]

Pretty good prediction from Billy Warthog on the pre-match thread:

 

"Posted 6 hours ago

 

Think they'll score first. Then it just depends on which NUFC turn up. Hope the atmosphere doesn't go flat for long periods. 

 

I'm still reasonably confident of a positive result, but it'll probably be nervy and maybe a hard watch. 

 

NB - I'm shite at predictions, so there's always that."

[Shak]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Obviously they changed tactics at half time and decided to press us, but I can't for the life of me work out why we found it hard to play one ball out and get us into one on one situations.

 

I think it was largely that Burn and Schar were awful on the ball. Was a mix of playing the wrong pass and just failing to execute passes that weren't that difficult.

[toon25]

14 minutes ago, Ashley17 said:

One of the strangest games I’ve ever been to. Forest barely completed a pass in the first 20 mins but were 1-0 up through our own incompetence. Played really well for 15 mins and scored four, which should have set up a carnival second half.

 

Instead we just couldn’t keep the ball and got really panicky. Burn in particular seemed to be completely off his tits, I don’t know if the wind was a factor but he was all over the place. Willock was good for an hour then his race was clearly run. Bruno was fairly erratic all day, Miley just kept it simple and took his goal well.

 

Sels is still shite, Wilson looked like he had played 90 when he came on and Murphy barely got anything right all game but at least he scored I suppose.

 

Glad to have won but not sure what we can take forward from this performance, just a mad day. Was sat up next to the away fans and one probably 20 nothing year old was giving it the bigun until we scored, he left before half time and didn’t come back.

 

Doesn't surprise me. A lot of them probably think they're entitled to European football based on that old cunt some 40-odd years ago.

[gbandit]

What I don’t get with Schar is that his long-range switch passing has massively dropped off. Why is that? That’s not something that should go with age, his legs may go in terms of pace but he should still be able to spray passes about like he used to. I watched him today and he just wasn’t hitting it cleanly when he launched it out to the left and he’s done that a lot this season 

[Matt1892]

I wonder how much of our struggles is down to Trippier’s decline, as he was a great leader and organiser on the pitch.

 

It wouldn’t be the worst thing bringing in an old head or two in the summer to boost the squad who can organise the rest of them if they are subbed on.

 

It is a shame Brentford have the option of extending Norgaard for another year as he is the sort of squad player you want to bring on, who can slow the game down and is comfortable retaining the ball.

[Stifler]

21 minutes ago, Ashley17 said:

One of the strangest games I’ve ever been to. Forest barely completed a pass in the first 20 mins but were 1-0 up through our own incompetence. Played really well for 15 mins and scored four, which should have set up a carnival second half.

 

Instead we just couldn’t keep the ball and got really panicky. Burn in particular seemed to be completely off his tits, I don’t know if the wind was a factor but he was all over the place. Willock was good for an hour then his race was clearly run. Bruno was fairly erratic all day, Miley just kept it simple and took his goal well.

 

Sels is still shite, Wilson looked like he had played 90 when he came on and Murphy barely got anything right all game but at least he scored I suppose.

 

Glad to have won but not sure what we can take forward from this performance, just a mad day. Was sat up next to the away fans and one probably 20 nothing year old was giving it the bigun until we scored, he left before half time and didn’t come back.

His weaknesses are showing through more and more.

He’s always been one of those players where you never know which players is turning up until he gets his first touch. He’s stared doing this thing where he gets past his man, works hard to do so, then gives up as soon as he’s got past his man, often when he’s still in possession of the ball.

[gbandit]

Just now, Stifler said:

His weaknesses are showing through more and more. He’s stared doing this thing where he gets past his man, works hard to do so, then gives up as soon as he’s got past his man, often when he’s still in possession of the ball.

Not having this, he was not that player today. He went on a couple of quality runs where he outfought his man, left Chris Wood in the dust for one of our goals. He had a good game today 

[janpawel]

12 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I wonder how much of our struggles is down to Trippier’s decline, as he was a great leader and organiser on the pitch.

 

It wouldn’t be the worst thing bringing in an old head or two in the summer to boost the squad who can organise the rest of them if they are subbed on.

 

It is a shame Brentford have the option of extending Norgaard for another year as he is the sort of squad player you want to bring on, who can slow the game down and is comfortable retaining the ball.

One of the (many) flaws of FFP that isn't spoke about as much. Buying these old heads/CL experienced players doesn't happen often to teams like us as relale value is so important 

[Cronky]

Livramento worries me a bit. He often doesn't look like he wants the ball and is prone to panic. Hall has made much more progress on the other side. 

 

I would hold Livramento equally to blame for their goal. As the taker of the throw-in he has to accept responsibility for judging what's on and what isn't. It was a really poor decision.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Cronky

[RobsonsWonderland]

So the proverbial game of two halves lol.

 

Think it was a case of Forest having nothing to lose and us not hitting them on the break as our front line was goosed.

 

 

[TBG]

Didn't deserve to be on the losing side today 

[TheBrownBottle]

45 minutes ago, midds said:

I'd also love to see the stats of Attacking the Gallowgate vs Defending the Gallowgate this season. Feels like we've been turned around so often at kick off that's it's actually had an impact on how we've played, probably tinfoil-hat stuff but it would be nice to know 

It’s always been the case - you’re playing downhill.  I’d guess that it’s become more pronounced the more that football has become about athleticism. 

[Gazzaschicken]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

Can someone provide a theory for why we’ve played so poorly in so many second halves this season? That one was a carbon copy of others where we’ve not held onto the ball for more than three passes at a time countless times. It also mirrored other games where we’ve just been camped in our own half and looked incredibly terrified of the ball 

We like to protect the lead but schar and burn aren't quick and now trippier isnt starting or playing with any kind of quality as past it we don't have that experience and control to shithouse our way through it.  

 

We also run ourselves ragged in the first half, if we were 2-0 down at half time we'd be fucked.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Gazzaschicken

[Yorkie]

39 minutes ago, Shak said:

We are no longer winless when I attend games! Those eleven minutes where we scored all our goals might be the best time I've had at a sporting event, just great fun.

 

I reckon the losses and draws before this were all far less stressful, mind you. I've never been so certain of anything in my life that they were gonna score an equaliser with their last attack.

 

Fucking drained after it

 

 for the sake of my health in that second half, thank you for not telling us you were there beforehand. 

[Newcastle Fan]

What annoyed me today is when we needed to be professional second half, our more experienced players in Burn, Schar, Bruno seemed to lose their heads while youngsters like Miley and Hall had to step up and keep it together, our more experienced players need to learn from this.

[midds]

The passes into the midfield were shocking today mind, no idea if it's just sloppy or players not expecting it or not being accurate enough but it looked amateurish at times. Giving up possession of the ball 35 yards out with 7 men head of the ball because of a shit pass is not fucking acceptable at this level. It leads to quality chances and they're inevitably going to be taken and cost you points, it's one thing that needs to improve asap

[On the Grid]

For me that's not the players, they are under proper instruction everytime they go out, game plan, game plan. That is the coaching team telling them to sit off, conserve energy, big games coming up etc. It has to be. Personally I don't get it and don't agree with it cos I'm a supporter and want them to 'get into them' constantly because we know what happens. Seriously bad tactically second half today but I kind of get why they did it

[Shearergol]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Very interesting reading the Forest forum about how we're the team that knows how to undo everything they're good at counter-attack wise by also ignoring the midfield (like they do) and hitting them fast and hard down the flanks.

 

Obviously they changed tactics at half time and decided to press us, but I can't for the life of me work out why we found it hard to play one ball out and get us into one on one situations.

We did it a couple of times but unfortunately Wilson is completely finished.

[TwoForJoy]

30 minutes ago, Cronky said:

Livramento worries me a bit. He often doesn't look like he wants the ball and is prone to panic. Hall has made much more progress on the other side. 

 

I would hold Livramento equally to blame for their goal. As the taker of the throw-in he has to accept responsibility for judging what's on and what isn't. It was a really poor decision.

 

 

 

Tino looks soft to me, he's almost as bad in duels as Murphy, and Murphy loses more duels than any footballer I've ever seen.