Yoane Wissa

[Mikky]

8 hours ago, Gawalls said:

He got 45 goals in 4 seasons for Brentford, you genuinely think you get them numbers for £30m?

For someone who averaged 11 goals a season - is 29 years old - 1,year of his contract left (potentially) and with no resale value - £30m is my limit - with our finances limited - anything above makes no sense 

 

What would you have paid?

Name me 2/3 strikers with the above characteristics that have gone for more than £30m - exclude “World Class” players like Kane and Lewa

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, Mikky said:

For someone who averaged 11 goals a season - is 29 years old - 1,year of his contract left (potentially) and with no resale value - £30m is my limit - with our finances limited - anything above makes no sense 

 

What would you have paid?

Name me 2/3 strikers with the above characteristics that have gone for more than £30m - exclude “World Class” players like Kane and Lewa

Get your point but his first two seasons were 7 goals and every season he got better - last two seasons he's averaged 15 goals a season and him and mbeumo were involved together in over 40 goals (where they assisted each other or worked together) so he's clearly proven he can work as part of a team, he also said it was his dream move. All im saying is I'm not ready to call him a cunt yet.

[La Parka]

Vardy would have offered more, for free.

 

 

Edited April 19 by La Parka

[TheBrownBottle]

7 hours ago, LFEE said:

Out of the club’s control and not how you’d start a long term player/club/country relationship.

Fuck ‘em - DR Congo should pay his wages if that’s the argument

[Mikky]

16 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Get your point but his first two seasons were 7 goals and every season he got better - last two seasons he's averaged 15 goals a season and him and mbeumo were involved together in over 40 goals (where they assisted each other or worked together) so he's clearly proven he can work as part of a team, he also said it was his dream move. All im saying is I'm not ready to call him a cunt yet.

No one (well certainly not me is calling him or anyone a cunt)

 

I am simply asking - in todays economic climate - were we in a position to pay above £30m for him? Could we afford to take a risk? No we couldn’t - it made no business sense 

 

Tell me where we go with Wissa now? A £55m player that can barely move 

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, Mikky said:

No one (well certainly not me is calling him or anyone a cunt)

 

I am simply asking - in todays economic climate - were we in a position to pay above £30m for him? Could we afford to take a risk? No we couldn’t - it made no business sense 

 

Tell me where we go with Wissa now? A £55m player that can barely move 

I'm not getting into an argument with you because too be honest I'm sick too the back teeth off arguing on here. I work in Nottingham and get people commenting on Howe bad we are every fucking day at work so I come on here to talk with some of my own. Wissa has only had 430ish minutes this season and deserves more. I defended it when Gordon was playing up front because he was our best forward at the time in my opinion but can't accept Osalu is the answer. 

 

Until he's had more minutes and a bigger chance then I haven't given up on him personally.

[Doctor Zaius]

Might as well give him a few games to see if we can get something out of him like. He's been woeful but he's barely played really.

 

Can only assume the little cunt is fucking woeful in training 

[TaylorJ_01]

Best we can hope for is a few goals in the last few games and ship him to Turkey or Saudi.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

4 hours ago, La Parka said:

Vardy would have offered more, for free.

Mainly in hindsight though right? It was reasonable to assume Wissa would score a good number of goals for us. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

4 hours ago, Mikky said:

No one (well certainly not me is calling him or anyone a cunt)

 

I am simply asking - in todays economic climate - were we in a position to pay above £30m for him? Could we afford to take a risk? No we couldn’t - it made no business sense 

 

Tell me where we go with Wissa now? A £55m player that can barely move 

I don’t think it was meant to be a risk though, that was the whole point of overpaying for him. It was meant to be a safe bet. 

[mouldy_uk]

4 hours ago, La Parka said:

Vardy would have offered more, for free.

 

 

 

DCL would have been much better 

[andyc35i]

I’ve always thought that Calvert Lewin had all the physical qualities we wanted in a striker that plays in our system. I was shocked that we didn’t sign him for free and then decide what we did next once Isak kicked off

[PauloGeordio]

37 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Mainly in hindsight though right? It was reasonable to assume Wissa would score a good number of goals for us. 

I thought injury aside he would be plug and play bringing guaranteed goals. Also that he could do the job at RWF as he had done at Brentford.

[Conjo]

2 hours ago, andyc35i said:

I’ve always thought that Calvert Lewin had all the physical qualities we wanted in a striker that plays in our system. I was shocked that we didn’t sign him for free and then decide what we did next once Isak kicked off

 

Lets be real. If he ended up here he'd be more injured than fit to play. Can't remember a single time since 2001, probably longer too, where we've brought in an injury prone player and managed to get more minutes out of him than at his previous club.

[andycap]

He got hoyed on the leftwing when they had toney at the club. So those figures aren't all from playing as a striker. 

[KaKa]

But asked why Wissa has not had an opportunity, Howe said:

 

"He's had a very difficult season and I think the most difficult part for Yoane is that he got back fit and of course there was a huge feeling inside of him that he wanted to rush back and show everyone how good he is, and then we haven't been able to train him how we would normally train him."

 

"It's very small groups, game every two or three days, stop-start for him, he was never able to get a rhythm."

 

"We've probably seen the best of him in his time at Newcastle this week, we've been pleased with him physically."

 

But Howe then went on against the Cherries to leave him on the sidelines and it remains to be seen whether he will feature against Arsenal in the crunch game on Saturday night at the Emirates Stadium.

 

Howe insists: "I still think there's loads more to come. I feel a pre-season would definitely help him. You'll see a totally different player with a really sustained period where he's able to do what he needs to do."

 

"He's been trying, he's been really wanting to make a difference. There have been physical things stopping him from doing that. No injury, just time on the pitch, he needs training to get his body up to full speed. The best is yet to come."

[Kilcline]

8 minutes ago, KaKa said:

But asked why Wissa has not had an opportunity, Howe said:

 

"He's had a very difficult season and I think the most difficult part for Yoane is that he got back fit and of course there was a huge feeling inside of him that he wanted to rush back and show everyone how good he is, and then we haven't been able to train him how we would normally train him."

 

"It's very small groups, game every two or three days, stop-start for him, he was never able to get a rhythm."

 

"We've probably seen the best of him in his time at Newcastle this week, we've been pleased with him physically."

 

But Howe then went on against the Cherries to leave him on the sidelines and it remains to be seen whether he will feature against Arsenal in the crunch game on Saturday night at the Emirates Stadium.

 

Howe insists: "I still think there's loads more to come. I feel a pre-season would definitely help him. You'll see a totally different player with a really sustained period where he's able to do what he needs to do."

 

"He's been trying, he's been really wanting to make a difference. There have been physical things stopping him from doing that. No injury, just time on the pitch, he needs training to get his body up to full speed. The best is yet to come."

Doctor Congo nailed on World Cup dark horses and he comes back overweight in the last week of July after celebrating their historic run to the quarters 

[toon25]

Hate him more than Shola, but less than Colback

[TRC]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

But asked why Wissa has not had an opportunity, Howe said:

 

"He's had a very difficult season and I think the most difficult part for Yoane is that he got back fit and of course there was a huge feeling inside of him that he wanted to rush back and show everyone how good he is, and then we haven't been able to train him how we would normally train him."

 

"It's very small groups, game every two or three days, stop-start for him, he was never able to get a rhythm."

 

"We've probably seen the best of him in his time at Newcastle this week, we've been pleased with him physically."

 

But Howe then went on against the Cherries to leave him on the sidelines and it remains to be seen whether he will feature against Arsenal in the crunch game on Saturday night at the Emirates Stadium.

 

Howe insists: "I still think there's loads more to come. I feel a pre-season would definitely help him. You'll see a totally different player with a really sustained period where he's able to do what he needs to do."

 

"He's been trying, he's been really wanting to make a difference. There have been physical things stopping him from doing that. No injury, just time on the pitch, he needs training to get his body up to full speed. The best is yet to come."

I’m not buying this, a few months ago he said Wissa was upto speed.

[Displayname]

I'm starting to think that you can't really judge Wissa, Woltemade, Elanga etc on what they have achieved this season. 

Most of our players look clueless and without confidence. 

Surely not easy to build confidence and rhytm coming into a team that has none.

[Antipode23]

For me the Wissa transfer is the clearest example (out of a hideous bunch) of a myopic and amateur transfer strategy, enabled by an absentee ownership and manager given far too much influence.

 

I agree that DCL (and even Vardy) would have been better value in hindsight (kind of wild to say that), but I'd also say weren't the most astute options we could've gone for - just better than a 55m Wissa. I don't understand why we haven't tried to milk the free agent market more, on that note, higher wages notwithstanding. Howe's always banging on about PSR, next minute he blows hundreds of millions on PL mediocrity in the name of avoiding risk.

 

Just bizarre all round and with this transfer approach we've gotten exactly what we've deserved. Here's hoping the relevant people have learned their lessons.

[Menace]

To think our first bid for this guy was £25M  

[Antipode23]

15 minutes ago, Menace said:

To think our first bid for this guy was £25M  

 

Our amateurishness needs to be studied. Genuinely impressive stuff.

[Monters]

12 minutes ago, Antipode23 said:

For me the Wissa transfer is the clearest example (out of a hideous bunch) of a myopic and amateur transfer strategy, enabled by an absentee ownership and manager given far too much influence.

 

I agree that DCL (and even Vardy) would have been better value in hindsight (kind of wild to say that), but I'd also say weren't the most astute options we could've gone for - just better than a 55m Wissa. I don't understand why we haven't tried to milk the free agent market more, on that note, higher wages notwithstanding. Howe's always banging on about PSR, next minute he blows hundreds of millions on PL mediocrity in the name of avoiding risk.

 

Just bizarre all round and with this transfer approach we've gotten exactly what we've deserved. Here's hoping the relevant people have learned their lessons.

Humbly disagree especially re Vardy even with hindsight... DCL's fitness has improved as he has played most weeks, we would have been expecting to use him as backup and the previous fitness issues would have been a major red flag against this.  

Again no real knowledge same as everyone but IMHO Howe inherited any influence he was given because the lazy fat fuck of a DoF fucked off when it came time to hand his homework in after procrastinating for a year. Do you honestly think the manager would turn down a list of highly researched potential signings good enough to bolster his squad and help him achieve his aim of winning football matches? 

[OoOGazOoO]

13 hours ago, KaKa said:

But asked why Wissa has not had an opportunity, Howe said:

 

"He's had a very difficult season and I think the most difficult part for Yoane is that he got back fit and of course there was a huge feeling inside of him that he wanted to rush back and show everyone how good he is, and then we haven't been able to train him how we would normally train him."

 

"It's very small groups, game every two or three days, stop-start for him, he was never able to get a rhythm."

 

"We've probably seen the best of him in his time at Newcastle this week, we've been pleased with him physically."

 

But Howe then went on against the Cherries to leave him on the sidelines and it remains to be seen whether he will feature against Arsenal in the crunch game on Saturday night at the Emirates Stadium.

 

Howe insists: "I still think there's loads more to come. I feel a pre-season would definitely help him. You'll see a totally different player with a really sustained period where he's able to do what he needs to do."

 

"He's been trying, he's been really wanting to make a difference. There have been physical things stopping him from doing that. No injury, just time on the pitch, he needs training to get his body up to full speed. The best is yet to come."

 

He came back on the 8th December as a sub.

 

He has had nearly 5 months since that to get fit or whatever. This isn't an average bloke who works 9-5 and then goes to the gym on an evening.

 

This is a professional footballer, with the best fitness facilities at his fingertips, with doctors, sports scientists, physios, etc... at his disposal.

 

If he cannot get fit in 4-5 months then I'd be scratching my head, it's a load of rubbish.

 

 

Edited April 21 by OoOGazOoO