TK-421 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Thing is, very late in the window, we pivotted to Strand-Larssen. What would have happened had Wolves caved in? I reckon we would have signed him and then still went for Wissa too, but Woltemade would never have come into the equation, with JSL becoming the 'Isak replacement'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 17 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I guess we never thought we would sell him for any money. Or need to. I never thought of it like that, we must have known we were writing off £55 million when we were signing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, Ben said: I never thought of it like that, we must have known we were writing off £55 million when we were signing him. The use him and sell him for 20/30m to a league abroad now looking like a minor miracle rather than any concrete plan. Mad to think how much stock can fall in a player in 12 months but giving them nearly double our reported opening offer essentially bidding against ourselves can do that to deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 28 minutes ago, Slim said: Through all my years of football manager games that's not how it works. It's 25 percent of the sale. No, it can be either both in FM and in real life. If you are being sarcastic, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 27 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said: There's no way it would be profit on the Wissa deal though, imagine Brentford thinking we might sell him on for more when they've already sold him to us for twice what he's worth! So if we sold him at a loss for £40m, Brentford would get £10m? Thats negligent negotiation and I don’t believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: So if we sold him at a loss for £40m, Brentford would get £10m? Thats negligent negotiation and I don’t believe it. At his age, in what world are we selling him for more than £55m?? To put a clause in based on a percentage of profit would be pointless to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I'd guess the thinking would be he'd not be a car crash and we wouldn't be looking to move him on till he's 33ish at which point he's probably leaving on a free or for next to nothing so 25% of nothing is nothing so who cares. It's clearly not turned out that way though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, TK-421 said: At his age, in what world are we selling him for more than £55m?? To put a clause in based on a percentage of profit would be pointless to them. It’s pretty rare for older players to have sell on clauses. The idea is that the selling club benefits from the players continually development usually. It’s sometimes used for slightly older players that are sold cut price too like maybe Hojlund. But in the modern era it’s nearly always a % of the profit. 25% of the total fee on a 29yo is insane from the buying club. You’ve already paid a premium. You would consider an account break even a success. To give away 25% of the fee is crazy. Im confident im right on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said: I'd guess the thinking would be he'd not be a car crash and we wouldn't be looking to move him on till he's 33ish at which point he's probably leaving on a free or for next to nothing so 25% of nothing is nothing so who cares. It's clearly not turned out that way though. Tremendously optimistic. Negligent imo. I always thought he was a 2-year player. Try and break even on the accounting cost at that stage. Use that £11m p/a amortisation on a younger model that can appreciate in value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidg Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 A promoted side with new PL riches might look at him as a potential source of valuable goals and pay more than the mooted 15m. That's what I'm clinging onto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: It’s pretty rare for older players to have sell on clauses. The idea is that the selling club benefits from the players continually development usually. It’s sometimes used for slightly older players that are sold cut price too like maybe Hojlund. But in the modern era it’s nearly always a % of the profit. 25% of the total fee on a 29yo is insane from the buying club. You’ve already paid a premium. You would consider an account break even a success. To give away 25% of the fee is crazy. Im confident im right on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Whoever negotiated this transfer and the outcome needs to go to the Hague for war crimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Tremendously optimistic. Negligent imo. I always thought he was a 2-year player. Try and break even on the accounting cost at that stage. Use that £11m p/a amortisation on a younger model that can appreciate in value. Given how the negotiation went, you really are expecting the best outcome from something that was clearly terribly handled throughout. The whole summer was a shit show and we made a complete pigs ear of every negotiation we entered. I can't see it being % of profit personally, I can't find anything that clears it up online though. Everything says a 25% sell on clause, which I'd take to be 25% of the total sale, but it could easily be profit as well as it's not explicitly stated either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 minutes ago, Sidg said: A promoted side with new PL riches might look at him as a potential source of valuable goals and pay more than the mooted 15m. That's what I'm clinging onto. I would be honoured to see him pull on the Blue and White of Coventry City. Honoured and relieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 140k/w is eye-watering like. No wonder he drove himself up I'm not as disdainful as a handful on here. We clearly over-paid and a sell-on is mental business. Outside of the financial, the injury was unlucky and honestly seems like he's never had a run of games. I'm not even convinced he's as shit as we all think he is, getting 5-20 mins in already losing games to save the day isn't exactly a good way to bed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 33 minutes ago, Menace said: Whoever negotiated this transfer and the outcome needs to go to the Hague for war crimes To go from an opening bid of 25m to 55m is bloody insane Worst case Brentford are awkward and you agree at 30m which I know everyone will say he has X goals last few seasons - he’s 29 with 1 year potentially of his contract left - that’s the max I would go for him Anyway it’s all irrelevant now because summer 2025 demonstrated we haven’t a sodding clue and I’m fed up even going there - it’s too traumatic and is causing me serious PTSD lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 47 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said: I would be honoured to see him pull on the Blue and White of Coventry City. Honoured and relieved. Nailed on to run like a 16 year old and bang one in against us if that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 49 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said: I would be honoured to see him pull on the Blue and White of Coventry City. Honoured and relieved. He could be their new Peter Ndlovu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 hours ago, KaKa said: Someone is getting fired for this for sure. Not sure about that like . Everything went through Reuben after talking with Howe. Nephew and Nickson getting the deals done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Sell ons are only on profits, no? Yeah, he's been a disaster. The little he's played for us once back from the injury suggests all is not well. He's not been on form and has not been allowed to play himself into it. I saw him as a good moocher like Callum Wilson, and was happy when we signed him. It was an overpay, but so is everyone these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 16 minutes ago, Stottie said: Sell ons are only on profits, no? Yeah, he's been a disaster. The little he's played for us once back from the injury suggests all is not well. He's not been on form and has not been allowed to play himself into it. I saw him as a good moocher like Callum Wilson, and was happy when we signed him. It was an overpay, but so is everyone these days. Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, mosstef said: This is our Nicolas Pepe signing. Disgustingly enough think they got more out of him before cutting their losses. This is a shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, Casey said: 140k/w is eye-watering like. No wonder he drove himself up I'm not as disdainful as a handful on here. We clearly over-paid and a sell-on is mental business. Outside of the financial, the injury was unlucky and honestly seems like he's never had a run of games. I'm not even convinced he's as shit as we all think he is, getting 5-20 mins in already losing games to save the day isn't exactly a good way to bed in. The injury wasn’t unlucky - he acted like an unprofessional wanker and refused to train. And then, despite not having ‘match fitness’, he pisses off to play football on a concrete slab of a pitch rather than attempting to get himself into the condition he should’ve been in in the first place. If I go and do a marathon tomorrow without warming up, if I get a muscle tear after half a mile I’m not unlucky, I’m a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, Stottie said: Sell ons are only on profits, no? Yeah, he's been a disaster. The little he's played for us once back from the injury suggests all is not well. He's not been on form and has not been allowed to play himself into it. I saw him as a good moocher like Callum Wilson, and was happy when we signed him. It was an overpay, but so is everyone these days. I mean, they aren’t all overpays - transfer fees and salaries have went up with football’s increased income. Wissa has been a massive overpay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) The injury just derailed what was already a financial mistake. We gambled on this guy hitting the ground running and holy shit did that backfire. This really was last minute desperation. Edited April 28 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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