Nick Woltemade

[Conjo]

Feels like a no brainer that he would be great if we made some adjustments to the way we play. Mainly having our wide players play more like wide forwards so he has more runners around him when playing up top. I think a Barnes/Gordon - Woltemade - Osula trio up top over a season would do better than anything we've put out since Isak left.

 

If Howe is unable to set up a team without a lone pacy striker up top, it's better for both parties that Woltemade moves on in the summer.

[Thumbheed]

I just dont see it. 

 

He's really struggling with the pace and physicality of the game. 

[The Prophet]

I agree that he needs to be leading the line, but to do so he needs to be coached to attack the box more aggressively.

 

I know it's verboten, but I find it difficult to be too harsh on any individual attacker this season (apart from Wissa) given how dysfunctional everything has looked from a systemic PoV. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Conjo said:

Feels like a no brainer that he would be great if we made some adjustments to the way we play. Mainly having our wide players play more like wide forwards so he has more runners around him when playing up top. I think a Barnes/Gordon - Woltemade - Osula trio up top over a season would do better than anything we've put out since Isak left.

 

If Howe is unable to set up a team without a lone pacy striker up top, it's better for both parties that Woltemade moves on in the summer.

He might be better, but it’s definitely not a ‘no brainer’ that he’d be great.  I seriously doubt the lad has it to be great in the PL. 

[WinstonFC]

His skills just arent transferable to the premier league unless he bulks up and adapts. Premier league atm is more physical, direct and high tempo than its ever been. It aint flashy but it works as the success in Europes competitions has shown so far. Its going to take a tactical shift from Eddie with someone playing alongside him. 

[Zero]

Nah I really think this would work. Wolte playing alongside Osula. The midfield look much more stable and Wolte fully focusing on attacking.

 

At worst we could play Ramsay instead in that role. This should be the set up going forward. Don’t fucking go back to that Plan A please

[Nucasol]

Loan him to Bayern for an amount that covers the bulk of his amortisation for the season and hope we get a fee that means we don’t suffer a loss if he fills his boots in the Farmersliga.

 

He’s ill suited for the way we play and the PL and, given PIF appear to be backing Eddie, it doesn’t seem like he has a viable next season here without European football to give him games.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

Loan him to Bayern for an amount that covers the bulk of his amortisation for the season and hope we get a fee that means we don’t suffer a loss if he fills his boots in the Farmersliga.

 

He’s ill suited for the way we play and the PL and, given PIF appear to be backing Eddie, it doesn’t seem like he has a viable next season here without European football to give him games.

Not a bad solution, especially if they dont want to buy him outright. 

 

Given the nature of squad cost, it would be prudent to peddle Big Nick, Wissa Gordon and Tino and use the later twos fees to offset the losses from the former  

 

The annual cost cost for big Nick and Wissa is eye watering and will hold us back  

[TRon]

12 hours ago, Conjo said:

Feels like a no brainer that he would be great if we made some adjustments to the way we play. Mainly having our wide players play more like wide forwards so he has more runners around him when playing up top. I think a Barnes/Gordon - Woltemade - Osula trio up top over a season would do better than anything we've put out since Isak left.

 

If Howe is unable to set up a team without a lone pacy striker up top, it's better for both parties that Woltemade moves on in the summer.

 

I'd like to see him with two pacy wide players either side of him with an eye for goal. Someone mentioned Nunez and Osula with Wolte would be a tasty front three, but if you could replace those with finishers it might work. 

 

Hard to tell really, from what I've seen Wolte looks lightweight, and I still don't see him working in the PL. Maybe in a more possession based side he would get more involved, but that's not our game. 

[gdm]

He doesn’t shoot and doesn’t get in to the right positions to shoot. It’s right winding me up and I like him too 

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Loan him to Bayern for an amount that covers the bulk of his amortisation for the season and hope we get a fee that means we don’t suffer a loss if he fills his boots in the Farmersliga.

 

He’s ill suited for the way we play and the PL and, given PIF appear to be backing Eddie, it doesn’t seem like he has a viable next season here without European football to give him games.

Is he even going to get a game there?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He needs a lot more time, sadly the end of the season is coming up. Hard to say what his future is, it depends on what he and Howe have been discussing and working on behind the scenes. 

[Nucasol]

50 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Is he even going to get a game there?

Think with an aging Kane and the UCL schedule in its current format he’ll get a lot more chances than with us.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Putting him in the Jon dahl tomasson bracket.

 

He may end up being a quality player but not for us

[HMSIllustrious]

1 hour ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Putting him in the Jon dahl tomasson bracket.

 

He may end up being a quality player but not for us

Just read an article about him “Jon Dahl Tomasson was right player wrong time, when arriving at Newcastle United in summer 1997.“ I hope we get a better headline for Nick‘s stay here in 30 years. 

[CallumG6]

I remember taking the piss out of a Liverpool supporting colleague when Nick was banging them in and Isak couldn't get match fit.

Now there's talk of him going, crazy 6 months really but he's been poor whenever he's had a chance.

And Isak still can't stay fit - the more things change, the more they stay the same. 

[Erikse]

17 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

I remember taking the piss out of a Liverpool supporting colleague when Nick was banging them in and Isak couldn't get match fit.

Now there's talk of him going, crazy 6 months really but he's been poor whenever he's had a chance.

And Isak still can't stay fit - the more things change, the more they stay the same. 

 

The Isak sale in isolation looks like a fantastic sale at this point. In hindight it should've happened much earlier in the window. The sale probably happened at the perfect time in terms of getting a massive fee from it. If only we had spent the money wisely..

 

 

Edited May 11 by Erikse

[Andy]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

The Isak sale in isolation looks like a fantastic sale at this point. 

 

Depends if you're judging on what he's done for Liverpool so far or what he would have done for us if he'd stayed. 

 

If he was still here I have little doubt we'd be in the top 5 at this moment. 

 

It looks a waste of money from Liverpool's perspective at the moment, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good sale for us. 

[duo]

Isak sale was a disaster - Eddie had built his team around him.

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

 

Depends if you're judging on what he's done for Liverpool so far or what he would have done for us if he'd stayed. 

 

If he was still here I have little doubt we'd be in the top 5 at this moment. 

 

It looks a waste of money from Liverpool's perspective at the moment, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good sale for us. 

 

I'm thinking more about the injuries, and not ability. Obviously impossible to tell, but if the injuries would have gotten worse like they have, then his value goes down, and we would be without him more often than not anyways. With Europe this season it would be hard to keep him fit.

 

 

Edited May 11 by Erikse

[RobsonsWonderland]

To be fair if he stayed he might have had a preseason and not got injured 

[Andy]

59 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I'm thinking more about the injuries, and not ability. Obviously impossible to tell, but if the injuries would have gotten worse like they have, then his value goes down, and we would be without him more often than not anyways. With Europe this season it would be hard to keep him fit.

 

 

 

 

Tbf the main injury he's had was a broken leg from a tackle, I'm not sure they've actually gotten worse. In all likelihood we would've got 30 games out of him as in previous seasons, barring a similar impact injury. 

[duo]

One of Eddie's biggest failings this lad - paid a club record fee for him with seemingly no clue where to fit him in the team.

[Mills and Boon]

Howe took a gamble on a young, unproven striker and it didn't work out. Tried him in three different positions and he's looked crap in all of them.

 

I just hope someone still thinks there's a player in there and we don't lose too much money on him. Unfortunately I can see the likes of Bayern looking at him and feeling grateful that they dodged a bullet 

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

Howe took a gamble on a young, unproven striker and it didn't work out. Tried him in three different positions and he's looked crap in all of them.

 

I just hope someone still thinks there's a player in there and we don't lose too much money on him. Unfortunately I can see the likes of Bayern looking at him and feeling grateful that they dodged a bullet 

Bayern have seen more of him than we have and were interested in signing him. They're not going to look at him now and think he's turned shit overnight - if the national manager recognises he's being badly deployed, i'm sure Bayern will too. They'll probably just come in with a low ball offer, take him back to Germany and use him properly.