Shearergol Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Minhosa said: Agreed. That’s what is pissing me off. Far more than a transitional season, it’s the sheer waste of the Isak profit last summer. An utterly criminal use of funds. Should have been our opportunity to kick on, strengthen across the board (even if we were a little weaker up top with his loss). We’ve actually created even more problems for ourselves with our recruitment. Appreciate they perhaps weren’t expecting the Isak strike but, fuck me, Wissa and Elanga, were the best you could come up with to use £110m? The failing isn’t in signing dogshit, it’s in not having a plan B or expecting the eventuality that we’d need replacements for players attractive to the top few clubs. We HAVE to have learnt from that this year when the inevitable happens with other players because we simply cannot afford another reactionary window. I didn't rate our transfer business at all but why do people have to use such over the top terms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, Shearergol said: I didn't rate our transfer business at all but why do people have to use such over the top terms? PIF bought us for £300m. We've just spaffed over 33% of that amount on two players who are nowhere near good enough and never will be. In commercial terms, that's fucking criminal decision making. In most organisations, there would be huge conseqeunces for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: PIF bought us for £300m. We've just spaffed over 33% of that amount on two players who are nowhere near good enough and never will be. In commercial terms, that's fucking criminal decision making. In most organisations, there would be huge conseqeunces for it. But this is football, right? Transfers carry a risk (not of prison though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Minhosa said: PIF bought us for £300m. We've just spaffed over 33% of that amount on two players who are nowhere near good enough and never will be. In commercial terms, that's fucking criminal decision making. In most organisations, there would be huge conseqeunces for it. What does it matter how much they bought us for when discussing transfer fees? Our value has tripled in the last 3/4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: What does it matter how much they bought us for when discussing transfer fees? Our value has tripled in the last 3/4 years. Because we don't have a bottomless pit and they hinder us moving forwards. Staveley said we couldn't afford to get one wrong and, generously, we've got 3 wrong at a minimum last summer. Doesn't matter how much our revenue has moved forwards, we cannot possibly be in a position to waste the best part of £200m. They're all tied into long term contracts on good wages. They won't be easy to shift. We therefore cannot use those funds on players we have actually proactively and properly scouted as opposed to panic buys like some of last summers. That's why it matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Context is important kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: What does it matter how much they bought us for when discussing transfer fees? Our value has tripled in the last 3/4 years. Our spending power hasn't though. PIF could buy every EPL club in England collectively, but we can't buy players unless we get the green light from the cartel appointed PL authorities. That's why it matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, HawK said: Well, it doesn't help when the new owners come in and say 'we're going to be number 1' and then don't really do much if anything to make it look like that's going to happen. The expectations were set by the owners, not by us. Fucking hell man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 hours ago, joeyt said: That's also forgetting that the Premier League have done everything possible to stop us from being number 1 since the owners came in Very true, but that throwaway statement by someone who just doesn't know the business set expectations sky high amongst some. You'd be thinking stadium, training ground, city regeneration - everything that was mentioned would be happening. And.. it's just not. None of that is related to PSR. Personally I never understood why he said it, it's just setting ourselves up to fail. Purely something said to increase the value of the investment or just naive? Probably a bit of both I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 hours ago, HawK said: Very true, but that throwaway statement by someone who just doesn't know the business set expectations sky high amongst some. You'd be thinking stadium, training ground, city regeneration - everything that was mentioned would be happening. And.. it's just not. None of that is related to PSR. Personally I never understood why he said it, it's just setting ourselves up to fail. Purely something said to increase the value of the investment or just naive? Probably a bit of both I guess. You’ll not know if it was a mistake to say we’ll be No 1 by 2030 until we get to the end of 2029. I’d suggest that saying in early 2026 that we’ll not be No 1 by 2030 is equivalent to blowing your beans before you’ve even got past the fingerblasting phase. And ladies don’t like that. Well not the ones I know anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 @Sir Joel Intonto this group, the mf is definitely a troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) We don’t demand a team that wins we demand a team that tries ! We don’t demand a team that wins we demand a team that can break into the cartel ! We don’t demand a team that wins we demand a team that wants to win the league ! We don’t demand a team that wants to win the league by 2030, we demand a team that wins the league at some point but not by then ! PIF have no ambition. Woe is me. PIF: we want to be No 1 by 2030 ! PIF have unrealistic ambition. Woe is me. We want a bigger better new stadium but we don’t want to leave St James’ Park, our city centre location that’s surrounded by existing buildings, some listed. We want it to be a perfect stadium. Well thought out and sensitive to our needs. But it has to be in the city centre, close to loads of existing buildings, some listed. We’re not comprising on that. Why haven’t we got our big improved perfectly designed and city centre located new stadium yet ? Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 8 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Anyone who sits at the far end of the spectrum, either positive or negative, is almost certainly incapable of thinking rationally. And they should check themselves before they wreck themselves. Somewhere near the middle is best. Some might be slightly more negative, some might be slightly more positive but they can all view the situation with balance. Such an antiforum thing to say.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Erikse said: Such an antiforum thing to say.. Which bit ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 11 hours ago, Shearergol said: I didn't rate our transfer business at all but why do people have to use such over the top terms? it's exactly what I'm talking about. Some extreme hyperbolic language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I look back at the Mitchell era and I can't help but laugh. Guy came in, said this isn't fit for purpose, didn't make 1 single adjustment and fucked off when his best pal had to leave due to health reasons What a colossal waste of time for everyone involved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Which bit ? In forums you have to be either highly negative or postivie. None of that in between stuff, that's just woke nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 35 minutes ago, Erikse said: In forums you have to be either highly negative or postivie. None of that in between stuff, that's just woke nonsense. That’s the worst post anyone’s ever made ever, can’t believe how bad it is, complete waste of time reading it, you’ve ruined the entire forum with that comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 17 hours ago, joeyt said: That's also forgetting that the Premier League have done everything possible to stop us from being number 1 since the owners came in That's partly true. FFP was introduced into the PL in 2013 and takeover was 2021. So they knew the rules then for £105m losses over three years. I'm sure there was already some APT rules in operation prior to our takeover, that's before the new rules were rushed through 4 days later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 06/02/2026 at 06:55, 500bhp said: That's partly true. FFP was introduced into the PL in 2013 and takeover was 2021. So they knew the rules then for £105m losses over three years. I'm sure there was already some APT rules in operation prior to our takeover, that's before the new rules were rushed through 4 days later. This is absolutely correct. But there's a bit of nuance, that up until our takeover the PL had welcomed injections of cash from pretty much wherever and had shown very little appetite to actually enforce the rules with points deductions. Therefore, can see why it wouldn't have been a deal-breaker if PIF thought they'd just get away with breaking the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On the topic of 'negative fans' I'd say everyone had a right to their opinion and to air it. I'm very much Eddie In and think there's a lot of nonsense being aired at the minute, but a forum is the appropriate place for everyone to air and discuss their views. Same as over pre/post-match pints. So long as players aren't being tagged on social media and they keep the negativity out of the stadium then folk can crack on imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 After the Ashley era there’s really nothing to be negative about that is within the clubs control. What’s really negative is changing the rules to protect Masters 6, a disgrace but effective at stifling rapid progress,(compounded by the protection of manc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Tgarve I guess you think of yourself as a 'positive' fan? Why did you start a negative post? Asking for a friend.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said: On the topic of 'negative fans' I'd say everyone had a right to their opinion and to air it. I'm very much Eddie In and think there's a lot of nonsense being aired at the minute, but a forum is the appropriate place for everyone to air and discuss their views. Same as over pre/post-match pints. So long as players aren't being tagged on social media and they keep the negativity out of the stadium then folk can crack on imo I think most sensible people will agree with this, even Howe's staunchest supporters have complained about stuff in games, I'd like to think I'm mostly a glass half-full kind of guy but I've also embraced the emotional rant from time to time, completely acceptable I think. It's the relentless negativity that's hard to be a party to, but I guess thats what the block function is for, some people revel in it a bit too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Begbie said: Tgarve I guess you think of yourself as a 'positive' fan? Why did you start a negative post? Asking for a friend.. He probably got dragged down by the glass half empty lot. It's fine, probably not smart to think everything is sunshine and bunnies all the time but I tend to look on the bright side most times. Edited February 7 by McDog Empty not full you thick moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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