Víctor Muñoz

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

To me it does, if you own half a cart and I own half then it's owned by more then one person or multiple people, hence multi owners. But I'm no expert on this.

I think the terminology is a bit muddled here, multiclub ownership refers to a structure of one party owning multi clubs. 

 

In the Munoz situation, in order to buy him at the prices Osasuna did they've had to make a number of compromises including 50% of the next sale. One of the reasons why this isn't multiple owners is because Osasuna are free to negotiate with us for a % of the next sale and unless they really hate themselves that full fee would belong to them. 

[SteV]

Some ‘La Liga expert’ giving his views on him to Radio Newcastle:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0nrltlx?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

[GeordieDazzler]

4 minutes ago, SteV said:

Some ‘La Liga expert’ giving his views on him to Radio Newcastle:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0nrltlx?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Better than that Smoggie bloke they spoke to about Isak. Made him sound like the second coming of Ameobi

[GeordieDazzler]

Like the work rate comments mind, sounds like Tonali on the wing. 
 

I expect those productivity stats to jump up when he’s not playing in a poor Osasuna side. 
 

 

[mayubeproud]

10 hours ago, KaKa said:

https://as.com/futbol/primera/el-newcastle-aprieta-por-victor-munoz-f202606-n/

 

Víctor Muñoz and Newcastle are close to joining. The deal is in the works and could be finalized soon. The Magpies , having received €80 million for Anthony Gordon, are prepared to invest almost half that amount. As reported by El Chiringuito and confirmed by AS, the transfer fee being considered is €35 million plus another €5 million in add-ons. This is the same €40 million buyout clause as Osasuna, but structured differently. This new arrangement also allows for a more favorable tax treatment, as simply paying the clause directly is less advantageous. However, all of this is contingent on Real Madrid's decision.

 

Because it's important to remember that this is a four-way equation: Osasuna, Newcastle, Víctor Muñoz, and Real Madrid. Real Madrid owns 50% of the player's rights after selling him for €5 million last summer. They also retain a right of first refusal and the option to exercise a buy-back clause for between €8 and €10 million this summer. Therefore, if an agreement between the English club and Real Madrid's offices at El Sadar (the stadium), as well as the player himself, were to materialize— details of which are still pending —it would also have to be reviewed by Real Madrid and subject to their decision-making power. For Real Madrid, however, it would represent a significant financial boost. Specifically, a potential €20 million (€17.5 million guaranteed and €2.5 million in performance-related bonuses).

In case if RM is okay with the transfer at this price, I wonder why they won't buy back Munoz? Let's say it costs them €10m to buy back, and then sell him at the rumored €35+5m to us immediately, then they would get a profit of €25+5m instead of €17.5+2.5m.

[healthyaddiction]

1 minute ago, mayubeproud said:

In case if RM is okay with the transfer at this price, I wonder why they won't buy back Munoz? Let's say it costs them €10m to buy back, and then sell him at the rumored €35+5m to us immediately, then they would get a profit of €25+5m instead of €17.5+2.5m.

Two lots of signing on/loyalty fees plus agent fees would probably more than make up for that.

 

Plus I'm not even sure you can sign and sell a player in the same window.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:45 by healthyaddiction

[r0cafella]

Just now, mayubeproud said:

In case if RM is okay with the transfer at this price, I wonder why they won't buy back Munoz? Let's say it costs them €10m to buy back, and then sell him at the rumored €35+5m to us immediately, then they would get a profit of €25+5m instead of €17.5+2.5m.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the tree? 

 

It will cause the sale to be delayed and imagine if he did his ACL ?

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, mayubeproud said:

In case if RM is okay with the transfer at this price, I wonder why they won't buy back Munoz? Let's say it costs them €10m to buy back, and then sell him at the rumored €35+5m to us immediately, then they would get a profit of €25+5m instead of €17.5+2.5m.

Pretty sure they’ll need to keep him for a season. They can’t get him and sell him in the same window.  
 

They’ve never done it with all of their buy back clauses.  

[The College Dropout]

Also if Osasuna paid €5m for him that’s profit for the player too. 
 

Youre talking €2.5m overall profit for the player . Then bonuses, sign on fees, agent costs etc. 

[mayubeproud]

26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Pretty sure they’ll need to keep him for a season. They can’t get him and sell him in the same window.  
 

They’ve never done it with all of their buy back clauses.  

I think the rules allow it as long as he doesn't play any official games with RM:

 

https://www.icsspe.org/system/files/FIFA - Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players_0.pdf

Article 5.3

Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season.
During this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for
two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player moving between two clubs
belonging to associations with overlapping seasons (i.e. start of the season in
summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) may be eligible to play in official
matches for a third club during the relevant season, provided he has fully
complied with his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally,
the provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the
minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected.

 

But the arguments about extra agent fees and possible delay & uncertainties could be reasonable ones.

[The College Dropout]

^^^ 

 

specifically with buy back clauses - I’ve never seen Real Madrid buy back a player and sell them in the same window.  
 

Morata, Odegaard can’t think of others but when bought back and sold, there’s always been a years gap. 

[duo]

Let's get this done

 

[SteV]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

Some ‘La Liga expert’ giving his views on him to Radio Newcastle:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0nrltlx?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

One other thing this guy mentioned was that the Spanish manager has said there will be no transfer activity for any player in the squad once they start the WC. 
 

Spain’s first game is Monday.

[Dokko]

3 minutes ago, SteV said:

One other thing this guy mentioned was that the Spanish manager has said there will be no transfer activity for any player in the squad once they start the WC. 
 

Spain’s first game is Monday.

 

Don't really know how he can enforce that tbh. Thry aren't his players and if a bid is accepted then the agents can work. All it takes is a signature from the player, and he can't stop that either as long as they don't leave the camp. Means more work for us to go out there, but I guess if we're serious, then someone if not many representatives of the club, are in the area for deals and scouting of the WC.

 

Edit: medical might be an issue, but all can be agreed pending passing one. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:58 by Dokko

[KingArthur]

3 hours ago, r0cafella said:

It doesn't. Are we apart of a multi club with Barca?

What? Do we still own a % of Gordon?

[KingArthur]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah I think it's badly worded but to be fair having a 50% sell on fee and owning 50% of the players registration is essentially the same thing. 

Must be poorly translated cause they mean totally different thing. 

[Alberto2005]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

Some ‘La Liga expert’ giving his views on him to Radio Newcastle:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0nrltlx?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Sounded great till he referenced "Marcelino" as a big success, lost all credibility at that point. 

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

Sounded great till he referenced "Marcelino" as a big success, lost all credibility at that point. 

I think he just explained that bit poorly tbh.
 

He said something along the lines of ‘most Spanish players at Newcastle have been a success’, then just preceded to name all of the Spanish NUFC players he could think of, not sure he actually meant all of those were a success, although the way he said it definitely allowed you to interpret it like that.

[Optimistic Nut]

It's been more miss than hit like.

[Fak]

Which Spaniards have been a hit?

 

Xisco, Luque, Marcelino all huge flops

 

Gamez came, farted and then left.

 

Wouldnt say Joselu or Merino were either hits or misses. 

 

Manquillo probably the pick of the bunch.

[Fak]

EDIT: Oh, and Ayoze Perez all good.

[SteV]

Just now, Fak said:

Which Spaniards have been a hit?

 

Xisco, Luque, Marcelino all huge flops

 

Gamez came, farted and then left.

 

Wouldnt say Joselu or Merino were either hits or misses. 

 

Manquillo probably the pick of the bunch.

Perez and Enrique the most obvious two

[Fak]

Just now, SteV said:

Perez and Enrique the most obvious two

 

Aye see my next post re. Perez

 

Totally forgot about Enrique

[AyeDubbleYoo]

6 minutes ago, Fak said:

Totally forgot about Enrique

 

As you should. 

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, Fak said:

Which Spaniards have been a hit?

 

Xisco, Luque, Marcelino all huge flops

 

Gamez came, farted and then left.

 

Wouldnt say Joselu or Merino were either hits or misses. 

 

Manquillo probably the pick of the bunch.

 

 

Merino was a hit really, that was just Rafa who didn't use him as much as he could. The fans were all very positive about him.