Kid Icarus Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 29 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Absolute guff. It's about the people in the stadium, not the stadium itself. Plus as has been mentioned already, SJP isn't exactly condusive to a great atmosphere with the Leazes and Milburn being too high different levels and broken up seating areas. That said, it's still rocking when the right games come around so you can get a good atmosphere in any ground if the fans are up for it, which is the key point. A new stadium with a better design - steep stands, with big blocks and one level all the way back creating a wall of fans a-la Dortmund etc would be awesome. Add a roof coming in close to trap the sound and it'll be cavernous and loud, I'd love to see something like that. One of them at each end, and then let the corporate sandwich munchers have their bit at the sides. Everyone wins. Location is key though, although I'd be happy to move it really needs to stay central. I'd be a bit gutted if it ended up outside the centre of the city and I say that as someone who's never lived closer than Whitley Bay. But the metro journey in is always part of the fun and being able to go out around town before/after, walking from the stadium, is key. Does this mean there's no issue with having a problem with people in the stadium then? Because for whatever reason you can point to, new stadiums and improved atmosphere don't seem to have gone hand-in-hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 "2025 stadium announcement" #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 44 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I feel like football clubs should just use multiple versions of the crest like baseball teams do. Have the current original crest and a simpler modern version as well. the smart thing to do is have a few, like you said. Our current class one is the official club crest forever. And variations used on different kits and merch. Sorta what Tottenham are doing, and I assume our club is smart enough to do that too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 The images are breathtaking, but you need to wait till the spring to get a glimpse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, Holloway said: The images are breathtaking, but you need to wait till the spring to get a glimpse Woke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 51 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Does this mean there's no issue with having a problem with people in the stadium then? Because for whatever reason you can point to, new stadiums and improved atmosphere don't seem to have gone hand-in-hand. Is it the new stadia? Or is it because atmospheres generally have declined as the matchday experience has become more "Family" oriented? Because we're always moaning about how the atmosphere was better in the 90s at SJP and as far as I can tell we're still playing at the same ground. We've just changed as a fanbase, as has every other fanbase. If we'd have simultaneously moved stadium during that time, we'd be blaming that. But is that the full picture for those clubs who have moved stadium? That's not to say stadium design isn't a factor, of course it is, hence why I wrote quite a bit about how I'd like to see the ends of any new ground to maximise the sound volume in there. But also the game / matchday eperience has fundamentally changed. No terracing has been one factor of course, but pricing models, appealing to families/women etc has all changed how fans behave in the ground - sometimes for the better but sometimes it makes it less hostile and noisy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I don't really see anything about SJP specifically which contributes to the atmosphere. Like people have said, it's to do with who goes to the match and where they're able to sit. TBH I sometimes don't know what we even mean when we talk about the atmosphere we actually want. I'm 40 and I can't really remember a time when SJP was consistently loud throughout a game. Except for the very special moments like PSG etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 i love st james but its no longer fit for purpose. the concourses and turnstiles are shite. we're lucky as we have ST's. but loads of friends and my kids mates can no longer get in to see us play - they can get the odd ticket here and there but never a proper visit where they go in a group. needs at least a 65k capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, Big River said: I'm not against a new stadium by any stretch, but it's a bit naive to think a new stadium automatically means things will be more accessible for "locked out" fans. I very much doubt the motivation for building a new stadium is to make things better or fairer for the common Newcastle United supporter. I disagree unless they only build it 65k. 75k as rumoured will make a massive difference. 23K extra tickets. 13-18k corporate. 5-10k match day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Sima said: "2025 stadium announcement" #wait The new #cans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Chris_R said: Is it the new stadia? Or is it because atmospheres generally have declined as the matchday experience has become more "Family" oriented? Because we're always moaning about how the atmosphere was better in the 90s at SJP and as far as I can tell we're still playing at the same ground. We've just changed as a fanbase, as has every other fanbase. If we'd have simultaneously moved stadium during that time, we'd be blaming that. But is that the full picture for those clubs who have moved stadium? That's not to say stadium design isn't a factor, of course it is, hence why I wrote quite a bit about how I'd like to see the ends of any new ground to maximise the sound volume in there. But also the game / matchday eperience has fundamentally changed. No terracing has been one factor of course, but pricing models, appealing to families/women etc has all changed how fans behave in the ground - sometimes for the better but sometimes it makes it less hostile and noisy. Since the expansion it's not the same stadium as the 90s atmosphere-wise. I do think it's partly the changing demographic regardless of that, but that everything also goes hand-in-hand. Stadiums and 'the matchday experience' are designed to cater to ever-wider demographics, ticket prices price some demographics out, allocations aren't necessarily nurturing the atmosphere because mates find it more difficult to sit together, and then supporters who are treated like customers end up acting like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola14 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Atleti's new stadium looks amazing and seems to generate a brilliant atmosphere, so can be done was sad to see them leave the old one a few years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 25 minutes ago, Ginola14 said: Atleti's new stadium looks amazing and seems to generate a brilliant atmosphere, so can be done was sad to see them leave the old one a few years ago It looks shit, it’s the exact same as the Stad De Luz, and the Emirates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 31 minutes ago, Ginola14 said: Atleti's new stadium looks amazing and seems to generate a brilliant atmosphere, so can be done was sad to see them leave the old one a few years ago Have been, really good transport with the metro in and out. Kind of a massive bowl. Wouldn’t want that for us. I’d hope they’d try and be as unique as possible with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 If it was going to be from scratch then a San Siro style stadium (with better bogs) would be my preference like. Rectangle stadiums >>> round stadiums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) Always thought the planned Liverpool stadium In Stanley Park was a bit different. Edited January 7 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Always thought the planned Liverpool stadium In Stanley Park was a bit different. What’s up with the corners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 That's awful A San Siro style design would be amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: What’s up with the corners? Think they wanted to recreate a Kop end behind the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 34 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Always thought the planned Liverpool stadium In Stanley Park was a bit different. Although I think that design is quite dated now (it came out around the time of the Dallas Cowboys stadium), I’m still surprised they opted to redevelop Anfield instead of relocating to across the road where this was proposed to be built. It’s more surprising considering how Anfield doesn’t fit to minimum standards now to be considered for hosting UEFA and FIFA events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: The new #cans Aye, but it was well worth the wait, no ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 A bigger version of Atlético Mineiro's Stadium wouldn't be too bad, rectangular, stands close to the pitch, and low roofs to keep the atmosphere in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, 54 said: A bigger version of Atlético Mineiro's Stadium wouldn't be too bad, rectangular, stands close to the pitch, and low roofs to keep the atmosphere in. Would need to be 30,000 seats bigger. Only a 45k capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 49 minutes ago, Stifler said: Although I think that design is quite dated now (it came out around the time of the Dallas Cowboys stadium), I’m still surprised they opted to redevelop Anfield instead of relocating to across the road where this was proposed to be built. It’s more surprising considering how Anfield doesn’t fit to minimum standards now to be considered for hosting UEFA and FIFA events. Aye think they’re screwed for anymore development in the foreseeable, they’ve got an offshore company who purchase houses in the area that come up for sale, but apparently they need a good couple of streets to expand the Kenny Dalglish stand which could be decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 25 minutes ago, Hudson said: Aye, but it was well worth the wait, no ? Totally! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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