Montey Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Could they move the listed buildings? What I mean is, could they be pulled down ("brick by brick") and then be re-built ("brick-by-brick") somewhere else. Whilst I am not familiar with the specific laws, as they relate to those specific buildings, but I know elsewhere (around the world) it is not uncommon to move historically significant buildings. This allows the historically significant building to be retained, as it's the building that's significant and not the location. A really extreme example of this is that Cooks' cottage, as built by the father of Captain James Cook in Yorkshire, was torn down in 1934 and moved all the way to Melbourne, Australia (each brick individually numbered) where it still stands today. https://whatson.melbourne.vic.gov.au/things-to-do/cooks-cottage Could this not be done to create space for St James' Park? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I’d hate for us to lose our stadium, I’m sure with new technology something can be done, even if it’s raised to 60k, we don’t want a white elephant of a stadium with 80k capacity with thousands of empty seats for some games which will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, NWMag said: Those listed buildings that are behind the East Stand are a right pain when it comes to this topic. Hopefully the Ruebens can chuck the Tories a few quid in exchange for permission to get rid of them. It’s an architectural masterpiece, I’d not like to see Leazes Terrace just disappear! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 at 52,000 SJP will be sold out forever. 60,000 would be about right, i've not doubt we'd sell out 80k+ for the big games coming our way, but not every match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, HTT II said: I’d hate for us to lose our stadium, I’m sure with new technology something can be done, even if it’s raised to 60k, we don’t want a white elephant of a stadium with 80k capacity with thousands of empty seats for some games which will happen. You think the attendance would only rise by around 8,000 going from relegation fodder under a detested owner to potentially a situation where we consistently win/challenge for major trophies? I'd say easily 70,000 and use the games where we might not sell out to grow the young fan base with discounted tickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Personally I would go for a 70-80k new stadium as it’s impossible to get St James’ up to that amount and the cost of even adding 6-7k to the Gallowgate end would be massive. It’s a shame, but the listed buildings make it virtually impossible to create a stadium to meet the demand. Don’t think anything will happen for at least two years anyway and more likely five years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, HTT II said: It’s an architectural masterpiece, I’d not like to see Leazes Terrace just disappear! Appreciate everyone has different views, I just don’t care about any listed buildings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, NWMag said: Appreciate everyone has different views, I just don’t care about any listed buildings Really? They are one of the remaining things that makes this country great in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 This could be the best ever Love it or List it episode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I appreciate architecture and history but I think this conversation is about priorities. I respect those who wouldn't want anything happening to those buildings but for me they could be levelled tomorrow to allow for an increased capacity SJP and I think it would be a net improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I don't love Leazes Terrace or anything but part of the joy of SJP is its setting. I doubt many clubs have Grade I listed buildings and (I assume) a registered park/garden immediately next door. I can live with the capacity being capped at 52k. Some general refurbishment should bring it into the 2020s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: I appreciate architecture and history but I think this conversation is about priorities. I respect those who wouldn't want anything happening to those buildings but for me they could be levelled tomorrow to allow for an increased capacity SJP and I think it would be a net improvement. This is a better explanation of my feeling towards it, I know people will have stronger feelings toward the buildings than myself but just from a personal point of view, if they had to make way to improve SJP then it’s a no brainer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Personally I would go for a 70-80k new stadium as it’s impossible to get St James’ up to that amount and the cost of even adding 6-7k to the Gallowgate end would be massive. It’s a shame, but the listed buildings make it virtually impossible to create a stadium to meet the demand. Don’t think anything will happen for at least two years anyway and more likely five years. I think even extending the Gallowgate to the level of the Leazes only gives us an extra 6k seats so we'd still only be on around 58/59k. It would be a lot of expense (I know money isn't really an issue) and upheaval for a relatively modest increase. The East Stand is the real issue but I don't see a solution there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Sima said: Really? They are one of the remaining things that makes this country great in my opinion. Appreciate that mate and I can understand why people like them. But for me the impact listed buildings have on my life is 0, whereas NUFC is of high importance, so I would always choose SJP over the buildings in this topic of conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Sitting on the fence here, but I think both the suggestions of moving from SJP and the ones about getting rid of Leazes Terrace (thankfully something that won't happen) are grim. Is literally nothing sacred anymore then? We're supposed to be the ones upholding the club's history yet it seems there are plenty who are desperate to stamp all over it in the name of some misplaced sense of what progress is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: I think even extending the Gallowgate to the level of the Leazes only gives us an extra 6k seats so we'd still only be on around 58/59k. It would be a lot of expense (I know money isn't really an issue) and upheaval for a relatively modest increase. The East Stand is the real issue but I don't see a solution there. Yeah totally agree, obviously it’s a shame but the demand is going to force the issue in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, NWMag said: the impact listed buildings have on my life is 0 This isn't true though; that's why they're protected... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Like that mad fella from War of the World's.... Build. Down. Like an iceberg, the little stadium on top is a mere skylight and only hints at the cavernous mega-construction below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I don't love Leazes Terrace or anything but part of the joy of SJP is its setting. I doubt many clubs have Grade I listed buildings and (I assume) a registered park/garden immediately next door. I can live with the capacity being capped at 52k. Some general refurbishment should bring it into the 2020s. Interesting take. We will struggle to grow our club if we tie ourselves to such a capacity. I feel the clubs goal should be to create a stadium which can accommodate everyone who wants to go and attend in person, ideally at the current site if not then as close by as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 My personal opinion, for a new stadium I would only be happy with a move to castle leazes as per the prior plans. If we don't move or can't agree a site, sink the fortune to bring SJP up to a modern standard and try to figure out ways to eek as much capacity out of it. I love SJP and the way it has had to grow within its constraints, the way it sits atop of the city and commands views from miles around. For Newcastle as a city to lose SJP in its skyline would a pretty sad state of affairs for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The main issue is that our new journey has barely got off the ground and the stadium is at capacity. We could probably easily fit in another 15-20k providing we’re moving up the table and Europe is a thing again. If we want to be considered the biggest/best club in the world at some point, we need to have a stadium that matches those clubs. If it took 2 years to rebuild SJP, would anyone accept a ground share with either of the “local teams”? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Could we play in Jeddah for 2 seasons whilst SJP was knocked and rebuilt ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: The main issue is that our new journey has barely got off the ground and the stadium is at capacity. We could probably easily fit in another 15-20k providing we’re moving up the table and Europe is a thing again. If we want to be considered the biggest/best club in the world at some point, we need to have a stadium that matches those clubs. If it took 2 years to rebuild SJP, would anyone accept a ground share with either of the “local teams”? Ask GIS if we can ground share with them and bring their facilities up to a decent standard? Nothing wrong with GIS stadium as it is like, but can't imagine it ticks many if any boxes for PL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Sitting on the fence here, but I think both the suggestions of moving from SJP and the ones about getting rid of Leazes Terrace (thankfully something that won't happen) are grim. Is literally nothing sacred anymore then? We're supposed to be the ones upholding the club's history yet it seems there are plenty who are desperate to stamp all over it in the name of some misplaced sense of what progress is. No it’s to give the opportunity for supporters (now and future) to go to games as the demand will increase (it already has). To me the two most important things about the club are the team and then the support. Unfortunately St James’ is not able to cater for the future increased demand to attend games. Everyone would love for it not to be the case, but due to listed buildings it isn’t. I accept some won’t agree though. Edited February 16, 2022 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 It's been done to death before but just for clarity there is exactly zero chance whatsoever of a Grade I listed terrace being levelled or moved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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