St James' Park

[astraguy]

Looks like Vila scaled back on expanding Villa park, I thought they already had a fan zone they'd  announced it after we did?
 

 

[HawK]

Could see it becoming something derivative of the 'castle' aspect, like Lewes FC's :

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

13 minutes ago, HawK said:

Could see it becoming something derivative of the 'castle' aspect, like Lewes FC's :

 

Why say this?

[JLC]

25 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Did you know that we are 1 of 75 clubs who can legally call our logo as a badge or coat of arms.

We were given the authority to do so with our castle badge.

 

https://www.theheraldrysociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/CoA-229-Phillips-paper.pdf

That's fascinating and a great read. Thanks for sharing

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, astraguy said:

Looks like Vila scaled back on expanding Villa park, I thought they already had a fan zone they'd  announced it after we did?
 

 

They have put a pause on it, I fully expect them to rebuild Villa Park as a new stadium.

[Heron]

2 hours ago, Stifler said:

Did you know that we are 1 of 25 clubs who can legally call our logo as a badge or coat of arms.

We were given the authority to do so with our castle badge.

 

https://www.theheraldrysociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/CoA-229-Phillips-paper.pdf

 

 

 

I didn't know that but it's interesting, thanks

[bobbydazzla]

3 hours ago, Stifler said:

Whilst Man Utd are building their new stadium, Arsenal going to expand theirs, Chelsea looking to move, and Anfield still needing 2 new stands, there isn’t a chance that they will propose such rule changes.

You also have Aston Villa wanting to do something with theirs, and have just announced a fan zone last week, Crystal Palace starting work on their new stand in the summer, Leicester wanting to build a new main stand, Nottingham Forest building at least 2 new stands, even Leeds want to expand their stadium, and Birmingham City are wanting to build an Etihad like campus. The latter two I know are not in the Premier League yet, but could be in future seasons.

So all in all, even if they did try to vote through the rules, they wouldn’t get the required support for it.

 

Once our new stadium is announced though, we’ll just get the likes of Arsenal fans calling us an oil club.

 

They’d find a way to block ours for anti-competitive reasons, but approve everyone else’s.
 

Never forget the fundamental principle of the PL rules:

 

All clubs are equal, but some are more equal than others 

[Wallsendmag]

6 hours ago, astraguy said:

Looks like Vila scaled back on expanding Villa park, I thought they already had a fan zone they'd  announced it after we did?
 

 

 

Tbf they only had 36,000 there the other week v Bournemouth so it's not like they're currently locking fans out, and this is them on the crest of a wave as well. They also had to mothball huge parts of their ground when they got relegated, like the mackems did, so their support isn't known for its staying power.

 

Building a 50k+ stadium could turn out to be a huge white elephant for them.

[Holloway]

aye, remember singing 'your ground's too big for you' at them in the last Championship fixture

[astraguy]

6 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Tbf they only had 36,000 there the other week v Bournemouth so it's not like they're currently locking fans out, and this is them on the crest of a wave as well. They also had to mothball huge parts of their ground when they got relegated, like the mackems did, so their support isn't known for its staying power.

 

Building a 50k+ stadium could turn out to be a huge white elephant for them.

i was about to post this but couldn't remember the game. Is the warehouse just like our stack ?

[Nucasol]

Just now, astraguy said:

i was about to post this but couldn't remember the game. Is the warehouse just like our stack ?

Wouldn’t be like Villa to copy us would it?

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, astraguy said:

i was about to post this but couldn't remember the game. Is the warehouse just like our stack ?

 

Not sure tbh. First I've heard about it 

[Whitley mag]

The sweet spot in terms of supply and demand is probably 65k for us, undoubtedly we could fill 75k for big games, but not sure 10k empty seats would be a good thing personally for some games.

 

I don’t think only going to 65k justifies staying at SJP though, 13k extra seats with more Corporate boxes, better facilities, acoustics, sight lines and being able to host other events is reason enough to still leave and will still bring huge revenue uplift.

 

In an ideal world we go to 65k, with the potential to expand to 75k if demand warrants it. Very tempting to just say build it so everyone can go when they want, but the reality of a stadium to big wont be good commercially in long term and could leave us with a white elephant down the line.

[Danh1]

Wonder what the correlation is between people who are happy to have 5/10k empty seats and those who mock the mackems. 
 

[HaydnNUFC]

7 hours ago, HawK said:

Could see it becoming something derivative of the 'castle' aspect, like Lewes FC's :

 

What utter fucking AIDS that’d be.

 

7 hours ago, Kanj said:

Ya, I absolutely do not want a new crest. I’d rather they continue to have fun with the current two others from our past but our badge is a work of art. 

Love ya, Kanj. Here’s a reminder that Natalie Noyes is the overseas representative on the FAB ahead of you. 

[Wandy]

36 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The sweet spot in terms of supply and demand is probably 65k for us, undoubtedly we could fill 75k for big games, but not sure 10k empty seats would be a good thing personally for some games.

 

I don’t think only going to 65k justifies staying at SJP though, 13k extra seats with more Corporate boxes, better facilities, acoustics, sight lines and being able to host other events is reason enough to still leave and will still bring huge revenue uplift.

 

In an ideal world we go to 65k, with the potential to expand to 75k if demand warrants it. Very tempting to just say build it so everyone can go when they want, but the reality of a stadium to big wont be good commercially in long term and could leave us with a white elephant down the line.

 

70k is the sweet spot for me, with expansion potential for another 10k. 65k is where the other big clubs are already at, and they want even bigger, so we need to jump past the stage where they are currently at if we want to gain parity with them over the long term. Once you get past 70k capacity though it becomes more difficult to have a stadium that can keep an atmosphere in the place. So building a very big stadium that still feels like a bearpit is the challenge.

[LFEE]

35 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Wonder what the correlation is between people who are happy to have 5/10k empty seats and those who mock the mackems. 
 

Personally never been one to overly criticise other fanbases. Even our dearest neighbours. 
 

Fans should stick together rather than let themselves be divided and conquered. That’s how you end up with Brexit and Premier Leagues and European Super Leagues.

[Stifler]

They have repeatedly said that they only want to write the cheque once.

There isn’t going to be a new stadium at a lower capacity, with the possibility of adding another 10k-20k seats in to it.

It’s going to be ‘Bang, there you go, fill it!’

[Whitley mag]

8 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

70k is the sweet spot for me, with expansion potential for another 10k. 65k is where the other big clubs are already at, and they want even bigger, so we need to jump past the stage where they are currently at if we want to gain parity with them over the long term. Once you get past 70k capacity though it becomes more difficult to have a stadium that can keep an atmosphere in the place. So building a very big stadium that still feels like a bearpit is the challenge.

I could see Arsenal going bigger and possibly Liverpool at some stage, though that looks very difficult for them anytime soon, due to the number of streets they need demolished for the Kenny Dalglish stand.

 

What worries me though is that they have huge international fan bases, with fans travelling from all over to watch them, they also have far bigger catchment areas locally, not sure how we fill 70k plus regularly if I’m being honest.

 

Chelsea and West Ham could possibly end up over 65k, but again huge catchment areas and prime location to capture the football tourists.

 

Possibly 70k but would need to really rethink their pricing to fill that up here in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

[Danh1]

20 hours ago, LFEE said:

Still never understand the “65K is the sweet spot” rhetoric. The demand is already far surpassing that for basic tickets without even expanding the corporate areas and fulfilling the waiting list for them and that’s just the football alone. 
 

Got to look further down the line when we crack PSR and can compete and secure some of the best signings for decades to come.

 

We’ve really got to be aiming to have the biggest stadium in the league or thereabouts to catch up. Building anything smaller or similar size to our competitors just keeps the status quo unless there is a rule change.

 

The smaller the stadium the higher the ticket price increases will continue to be.

 

I appreciate the idea of having people locked out to maintain a certain degree of value to the ticket price but it be foolish to have 10k plus missing out every game as and when we grow.

 

 

 

 

 

You make a some good points, particular around ticket prices. 
 

You know my views, I want to somehow stay at SJP, build a big fuck off stand behind the goal. I have accepted it’ll be a case of moving and just hope we get it right. 
 

I read bits from Spurs fans on social media (I kna, I kna) and it’s scary. Some of them feel detached from the club. Away fans all over the ground.

[midds]

Probably being a bit bullish here but I think we sell out 80k against virtually any opponent right now. The demand is there right now imo, people want to see this team and as we improve it'll only get a more and more desirable ticket to have. Bromley at home in the cup went to ballot. How many missed out? How many didn't apply because they knew they'd probably miss out? 

 

Confident we'd fill 80k virtually every game

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Danh1 said:

Wonder what the correlation is between people who are happy to have 5/10k empty seats and those who mock the mackems. 
 

No correlation as we won't try and argue that there wasn't that many seats unsold and any figure is based on seats sold not actually in attendance, like those thick fuckers do. I believe we will sell out anyway so it will be a moot question anyway

[Danh1]

25 minutes ago, midds said:

Probably being a bit bullish here but I think we sell out 80k against virtually any opponent right now. The demand is there right now imo, people want to see this team and as we improve it'll only get a more and more desirable ticket to have. Bromley at home in the cup went to ballot. How many missed out? How many didn't apply because they knew they'd probably miss out? 

 

Confident we'd fill 80k virtually every game

There’s about 600 tickets available in level 7 for the Bromley game. Do appreciate that it’s just after Christmas and quite pricey for a cup game against unglamorous opposite, mind 

[HawK]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

What utter fucking AIDS that’d be.

 

Yup !

[LFEE]

56 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

You make a some good points, particular around ticket prices. 
 

You know my views, I want to somehow stay at SJP, build a big fuck off stand behind the goal. I have accepted it’ll be a case of moving and just hope we get it right. 
 

I read bits from Spurs fans on social media (I kna, I kna) and it’s scary. Some of them feel detached from the club. Away fans all over the ground.

Yes but Spurs had a smaller specific fanbase than ours then and doubled the size of their stadium that they didn’t always fill. We are looking to to add 20-25k on to get mainly fans locked out after leaving because of Ashley and Rafa debacle. Levy’s plan was far more calculated.