St James' Park

[TBG]

7 days in and the year is ruined.

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Is it just me or does the whole “soulless bowl” comments regarding a new stadium give you similar “sovereignty” vibes from those that argued for Brexit 

 

Look how deciding to go backwards is turning out for the country…

 

I think it's more noticeable how with the right language anyone can make being in favour of the changes that people don't want look like the progressive position that's being attacked rather than doing the attacking. Then present the defensive resistance to those changes as the side doing the attacking, that's also inherently conservative, regressive, xenophobic, bigoted, or whatever else you want to throw at it.

 

I don't think this is some irrational fear of the unknown outsider, it's that this specific brand of capitalism and its negative effects on football are known and already inside that makes the fear of having yet more of it rational.

 

I often think football mirrors tons of these little scenarios that are like microcosms for bigger political or historical situations, and this is just another one.

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:14 by Kid Icarus

[MagCA]

Until it’s truly dead as an option. I will still hold out hope for an announcement that the club has bought the Arena property and surrounding land. PIF will take ownership of the new arena next to Sage and get that built. NUFC will create a world class stadium on the river with a community of bars, shops, hotels etc. around it. 
 

Let a man live out an unlikely dream. 

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Pablo said:

What everyone seems to be missing is that the main reason atmospheres are rubbish is due to the people within it. It seems that the existing season ticket holders want to stay where they are, and there is a massive family section. It is challenging to get like minded noisy, invested and radgie fans co-located. If nothing else a new stadium will force moves, and I’d expect the club to set up specific sections whether formally or informally.

If we stay at SJP it will never improve, if we move, there is a chance of a small upturn in atmosphere, but football has changed and it will never be the bear pit it was in years gone by.

It's just as much, if not more, about the relationships the people in the ground have with those they're surrounded by and as has been brought up a few times, the club hasn't just failed to nurture that, they've actively ruined it.

[pinkeye]

11 minutes ago, MagCA said:

Until it’s truly dead as an option. I will still hold out hope for an announcement that the club has bought the Arena property and surrounding land. PIF will take ownership of the new arena next to Sage and get that built. NUFC will create a world class stadium on the river with a community of bars, shops, hotels etc. around it. 
 

Let a man live out an unlikely dream. 

 

There is already some considerable building activity right next to the Arena site (on the other side of the road.  I have a feeling this one is dead in the water as an option.

[MagCA]

4 minutes ago, pinkeye said:

 

There is already some considerable building activity right next to the Arena site (on the other side of the road.  I have a feeling this one is dead in the water as an option.

Not the first time pinkeye has ruined my day. 

[LFEE]

38 minutes ago, MagCA said:

Until it’s truly dead as an option. I will still hold out hope for an announcement that the club has bought the Arena property and surrounding land. PIF will take ownership of the new arena next to Sage and get that built. NUFC will create a world class stadium on the river with a community of bars, shops, hotels etc. around it. 
 

Let a man live out an unlikely dream. 

Well…

 

It was interesting the post I made the other week about how we’d been getting intel on Everton’s ground. Maybe nothing in it but theirs is built in a similar location to our current Arena.

 

The other thing to consider is the swing bridge is broken and councils skint so hardly anything stopping us building on the Tyne itself if extra room needed! 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:26 by LFEE

[Hovagod]

57 minutes ago, Pablo said:

What everyone seems to be missing is that the main reason atmospheres are rubbish is due to the people within it. It seems that the existing season ticket holders want to stay where they are, and there is a massive family section. It is challenging to get like minded noisy, invested and radgie fans co-located. If nothing else a new stadium will force moves, and I’d expect the club to set up specific sections whether formally or informally.

If we stay at SJP it will never improve, if we move, there is a chance of a small upturn in atmosphere, but football has changed and it will never be the bear pit it was in years gone by.

Existing season ticket holders are not allowed to move seats.

[christ]

12 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Well…

 

It was interesting the post I made the other week about how we’d been getting intel on Everton’s ground. Maybe nothing in it but theirs is built in a similar location to our current Arena.

 

The other thing to consider is the swing bridge is broken and councils skint so hardly anything stopping us building on the Tyne itself if extra room needed! 

 

 

 

Make the Tyne Deck a reality!

[Big River]

I'm not against a new stadium by any stretch, but it's a bit naive to think a new stadium automatically means things will be more accessible for "locked out" fans. I very much doubt the motivation for building a new stadium is to make things better or fairer for the common Newcastle United supporter.

[Dan Gleebals]

8 minutes ago, Big River said:

I'm not against a new stadium by any stretch, but it's a bit naive to think a new stadium automatically means things will be more accessible for "locked out" fans. I very much doubt the motivation for building a new stadium is to make things better or fairer for the common Newcastle United supporter.

Agree, you don't double (or more) match/stadium revenue from adding just supporter seats.  It will be a mix of a whole load of things - additiobnal seats, corporate, pre/post match hospitality for all, and a stadium that can be used for multiple different events.  I cannot see that being achieved at SJP, without significant cost and having to move out of the ground for a season or two! They have achieved that at Madrid for example, but they did not have the constraints we do.

[Doctor Zaius]

8 minutes ago, Big River said:

I'm not against a new stadium by any stretch, but it's a bit naive to think a new stadium automatically means things will be more accessible for "locked out" fans. I very much doubt the motivation for building a new stadium is to make things better or fairer for the common Newcastle United supporter.

 

Yep. I can't be arsed to find it but there was outrage from a load of Everton fans on twitter about the relatively small increase of new season tickets being made available at their new gaff. 

 

A new stadium would mean more chance of tickets for the average fan, but it'll also mean far bigger corporate areas of the stadium in comparison to normal seats and far higher ticket prices. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, Big River said:

I'm not against a new stadium by any stretch, but it's a bit naive to think a new stadium automatically means things will be more accessible for "locked out" fans. I very much doubt the motivation for building a new stadium is to make things better or fairer for the common Newcastle United supporter.

 

It's all about increasing club revenue, matchday and other avenues such as concerts, events etc. We don't have to do it, but should probably lower our expectations of winning stuff or being consistent Champions League contenders in the long run if we don't.

[huss9]

2 hours ago, Tross said:

New crest, rebranding of whole club.

 

Clubs dead. 

honestly wouldnt bother me.

we've had at least 4 crests in my time of supporting the club.

even if they put a different one on each of the the 3 kits i wouldnt mind.

[christ]

The crest is the least historic thing about the club. We’ve only used the current incarnation since 1988.

 

It desperately needs to be modernised IMO. The old 80s one on the third kit is immeasurably better.

[MagCA]

Aye, crest doesn’t bother me too much. I like the current one but have felt it could be updated. 
 

Would be open to seeing options without thinking the world is falling apart. 

[Checko]

Wonder if they'll just pivot to the 80s NUFC one we're using on the white strip. This year kind of testing the reaction.

 

If they want to simplify the badge for easier branding it would make sense. I like the design personally.

[Slim]

Man City have stopped doing new season tickets now haven't they?

[black_n_white]

We’ll never get a better chance to improve / modernise the club and create a new stadium, no brainer.

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by black_n_white

[Tross]

17 minutes ago, huss9 said:

honestly wouldnt bother me.

we've had at least 4 crests in my time of supporting the club.

even if they put a different one on each of the the 3 kits i wouldnt mind.

 

Nah same about the crest, more about the rebranding. We must stay at a renovated SJP to avoid losing identity. We move to a sewpa dewpa new stadia its all over. 

[54]

So long as we don't go for a circular design, i'm happy for a new crest tbh.

[Yorkie]

18 minutes ago, christ said:

The crest is the least historic thing about the club. We’ve only used the current incarnation since 1988.

 

It desperately needs to be modernised IMO. The old 80s one on the third kit is immeasurably better.

 

I think nearly 40 years of use just about qualifies it as historic. Certainly if you're using 'historic' as a (sort of) synonym of identity.

[sushimonster85]

As long as any new crest isn't shite (like a lot of modern ones tend to be) then I don't really mind. People go through all this hand wringing about the current crest like it's been about for generations. It's only been around since what, the late 80's. Obviously it's a cracking design, and it gets associated with the mid-90's glory years, but it's also seen Championship seasons, the Ashley years, losing 5 in a row to the mackems. I'm fine if they want to take a crack at updating it. 

[Chris_R]

14 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Nah same about the crest, more about the rebranding. We must stay at a renovated SJP to avoid losing identity. We move to a sewpa dewpa new stadia its all over. 

 

Absolute guff.

It's about the people in the stadium, not the stadium itself.

 

Plus as has been mentioned already, SJP isn't exactly condusive to a great atmosphere with the Leazes and Milburn being too high different levels and broken up seating areas. That said, it's still rocking when the right games come around so you can get a good atmosphere in any ground if the fans are up for it, which is the key point.

 

A new stadium with a better design - steep stands, with big blocks and one level all the way back creating a wall of fans a-la Dortmund etc would be awesome. Add a roof coming in close to trap the sound and it'll be cavernous and loud, I'd love to see something like that. One of them at each end, and then let the corporate sandwich munchers have their bit at the sides. Everyone wins.

 

Location is key though, although I'd be happy to move it really needs to stay central. I'd be a bit gutted if it ended up outside the centre of the city and I say that as someone who's never lived closer than Whitley Bay. But the metro journey in is always part of the fun and being able to go out around town before/after, walking from the stadium, is key.

[TheBrownBottle]

14 minutes ago, 54 said:

So long as we don't go for a circular design, i'm happy for a new crest tbh.

I’m one of those who quite likes a good circular design.

 

For most of the club’s history we didn’t have a crest - it holds no real significance for me.