St James' Park

[nufcjb]

5 hours ago, NWMag said:

Burnsie seems to think expansion has been given the green light to 62,000. Strawberry corner and gallowgate being expanded summer 2023. Also says been told they might lower the pitch and build down but not sure how that would work.

The cunt must have got the SJP Company House info off here. The pathetic egomaniac cunt. Not you, @NWMag.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by nufcjb

[Whitley mag]

9 hours ago, Wandy said:

Mehrdad mentioned ongoing discussions with the council in today's takeover anniversary interview. If they've got any sense then those talks will have involved discussing the possibilty of building a new stadium at Castle Leazes and remodelling the park. Sorry to say but SJP will probably never cut it as an elite stadium. There are simply too many obstacles.

100% agree they can redevelop the Gallowgate all they want, but as long as the East Stand remains in its current guise it will never be a world class stadium. 
 

I honestly think a redevelopment of St Jame’s will involve far more than simply sticking another tier on the Gallowgate. The owners have stated they want to be best in class. The only way to do this and remain on current site is to move the stadium up towards the Leazes multi story car park to create space for Leazes Terrace. They could certainly start building the new structure like Spurs did with the current ground remaining open, but there would come a point when St Jame’s would have to be closed and where do we play then.
 

Massive hurdles remain in staying at St Jame’s and I agree the Castle Leazes site still makes more sense, with the current ground being given up as a usable park  in a land exchange. Leazes Terrace would have open views across the new park surely a win win for all concerned.

[madras]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

100% agree they can redevelop the Gallowgate all they want, but as long as the East Stand remains in its current guise it will never be a world class stadium. 
 

I honestly think a redevelopment of St Jame’s will involve far more than simply sticking another tier on the Gallowgate. The owners have stated they want to be best in class. The only way to do this and remain on current site is to move the stadium up towards the Leazes multi story car park to create space for Leazes Terrace. They could certainly start building the new structure like Spurs did with the current ground remaining open, but there would come a point when St Jame’s would have to be closed and where do we play then.
 

Massive hurdles remain in staying at St Jame’s and I agree the Castle Leazes site still makes more sense, with the current ground being given up as a usable park  in a land exchange. Leazes Terrace would have open views across the new park surely a win win for all concerned.

They've also stated we wont be moving, to do so would tear the soul out of the club.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Depends if moving means leaving town or just changing location. For me something like the arena site would be OK, but something out of town would not. 
 

Of course any move would be very sad on an emotional level. 

[Kid Icarus]

Couldn't care less about having a world class stadium. Atmosphere, location, tradition, and a sense of community and belonging are everything.

 

It'll all be gone forever and too late to do anything about it if we scrap all that, tell ourselves it'll benefit the average fan, then end up like every other club that sold its soul for nothing. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I agree until I can’t get in, I guess. 
 

Very hard one, if we can never sell any more season tickets and demand is astronomical, it’s a very difficult decision.
 

Spurs would be a good example for me, amazing new stadium that blows people away, designed to maximise atmosphere. Great location in the heart of their community. I wouldn’t say they’ve sold their soul. 
 

Of course, the PL in general has priced a lot of people out, but that’s regardless of stadia. 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo

[christ]

People have a preconceived idea of what a world class ground looks like based on the current trend towards turning stadia into these all encompassing centres of entertainment in which a game of football just happens to be played.
 

It’s a very Americanised view of what the stadium experience should be. Pack people in and rinse them for all their worth. I don’t see it being particularly desirable from a moral perspective, but I think it’s also something that would actually be to the detriment of the current match day experience. One of the best things about a SJP is how the proximity allows the club to essentially take over the entire city centre on a Saturday afternoon. To deliver on this ‘world class’ stadium experience you’d likely need to move out of the city centre. It’d kill match days stone dead.

 

There’s an opportunity for the club to do something really innovative here. It doesn’t necessarily mean moving away from SJP. It doesn’t necessarily mean looking at the fans as cash cows.

[christ]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I agree until I can’t get in, I guess. 
 

Very hard one, if we can never sell any more season tickets and demand is astronomical, it’s a very difficult decision. 

After the first underwhelming season a load of people will fuck off in a huff.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, christ said:

After the first underwhelming season a load of people will fuck off in a huff.

Let’s hope so, I want a season ticket

[christ]

My gut feeling is the club and council are going to break their backs to find a way to increase the capacity. Not sure by how much (East Stand is a lost cause IMO), but there’s too much on the line here. Everyone benefits.

 

Reckon we’ll get a ridiculous steep single tier Gallowgate expansion.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by christ

[Yorkie]

26 minutes ago, christ said:

After the first underwhelming season a load of people will fuck off in a huff.

 

That would be somewhat maddening given the hoards who were only too happy to continuously and blindly pay through their noses to shovel down Ashley's shit. 

[TomYam]

59 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Couldn't care less about having a world class stadium. Atmosphere, location, tradition, and a sense of community and belonging are everything.

 

It'll all be gone forever and too late to do anything about it if we scrap all that, tell ourselves it'll benefit the average fan, then end up like every other club that sold its soul for nothing. 

 

I agree with your sentiment "atmosphere, location, tradition and a sense of community and belonging are everything", but disagree with your final analysis.

Hypothetically, were the club to build a new stadium on Castle Leazes and extend Leazes Park to where St.James's once stood, why would we automatically lose atmosphere, location, tradition, and a sense of community and belonging? On the contrary, perhaps they could be enhanced? Additional, more tangible benefits such as increased capacity and further potential stadium uses would make a state-of-the-art stadium a greay addet for club snd city alike.

 

 

[Tiresias]

While they have said they won't move it (100% agree) got to imagine some discussion of a total ground up rebuild isn't unlikely i just hope it isn't generic modern stadium sleek spaceship thing

[Happinesstan]

13 hours ago, reefatoon said:

How the fuck would lowering the pitch work in our ground? Build down to get seats in? The pitch would end up the size of a subbuteo pitch.

Make the lower level the corporate boxes and build a stadium on top.

[Happinesstan]

11 hours ago, madras said:

Yeah I get all that, what I'm trying to put over is that there will or could be prepping work being done in the background. Questions being asked "If we propose this, how would it be viewed ?" It happens with most major building projects. If and it is an if, they get access to the St Jame's metro station land I really can't see what could be stopped given the bland office constructs that have been given permissin on that site already.

That kind of behaviour undoubtedly goes on behind closed doors and has done since the invention of pretending to care what the people think. I don' see the value in revealing that fact to burnsie.

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, TomYam said:

 

I agree with your sentiment "atmosphere, location, tradition and a sense of community and belonging are everything", but disagree with your final analysis.

Hypothetically, were the club to build a new stadium on Castle Leazes and extend Leazes Park to where St.James's once stood, why would we automatically lose atmosphere, location, tradition, and a sense of community and belonging? On the contrary, perhaps they could be enhanced? Additional, more tangible benefits such as increased capacity and further potential stadium uses would make a state-of-the-art stadium a greay addet for club snd city alike.

 

 

 

If you can point to an example of this I'm all ears like.  As far I can tell it's at least always the argument for a new stadium and at best a swing and a miss (Spurs)

[Guest reefatoon]

21 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

Make the lower level the corporate boxes and build a stadium on top.

Shaddap Burnsie.

[Stifler]

If we rebuilt SJP I’d absolutely love it if we did what Spurs did and made it so it can host NFL games as well. We already have a lot of Rugby games. I doubt the NFL will be coming to Newcastle though.

[The Butcher]

NFL can get tae fuck. Utter shite sport. 

[Sima]

Just now, The Butcher said:

NFL can get tae fuck. Utter shite sport. 

Ban this sick filth.

[TomYam]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

If you can point to an example of this I'm all ears like.  As far I can tell it's at least always the argument for a new stadium and at best a swing and a miss (Spurs)

Probably the majority of clubs have moved at some point in their history, sometimes for growth and development and sometimes relating to cost effectiveness or ownership issues. Those that have remained in situ bear little resemblance due the building and rebuilding of stands - even the pitches are relaid intermittently. 

 

In English football in recent years a number of big clubs or big new stadium moves have occurred - perhaps those most relevant to us are Arsenal and Tottenham. Both big clubs moving largely due to footprint constraints and within a short stroll from their previous home. From what I read and hear the supporters of both clubs are largely happy with the moves, although there is always a 'but' (...but it's not the same atmosphere....but there are so many new faces here.....but everything it's not like the old days...). That is normal and would undoubtedly hold true if we were ever to move home but, if done correctly, sentiment and nostalgia shouldn't hold the club back. Interestingly, I remember a huge number of supporters (surely the majority) were enthusiastic with Hall's plans to move to Castle Leazes back in the mid '90s. Have those fans' minds changed subsequently? 

 

Whatever happens, I'm sure all options will be considered, but the one thing that all fans agree with is that NUFC must remain in the city centre. 

 

[Wallsendmag]

3 hours ago, christ said:

After the first underwhelming season a load of people will fuck off in a huff.

 

Tbf we've been worse than shite for the past 15 years, suffering 2 relegations and knocked out the cups straight away yet crowds still usually hovered around the 50,000 mark.

[Kanj]

My guess is the stadium won’t ever move but they may have to sacrifice attendance for a season or two or three to rebuild existing stands and create more modernized concourses/fan areas while finding marginal capacity increases. 

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

If we rebuilt SJP I’d absolutely love it if we did what Spurs did and made it so it can host NFL games as well. We already have a lot of Rugby games. I doubt the NFL will be coming to Newcastle though.

Thank fuck

[Yorkie]

I think in reality 52,000 isn't that far away from the limit in terms filling the place consistently. Any development will be as much about modernising the place generally and bringing it into the 2020s, probably including expanding the multi-use offering and the corporate experience, whilst trying to add as many seats as possible without a physical extension (though that will obviously be being explored too).