Aldo Duscher arrives on trial - and promptly leaves?

[Alberto2005]

Was it only 3 years ago Roma were offering big money for him?

 

And Man Utd, which is what most seem to be rating him from rather than watching him with their own 2 eyes.

Hypocrite.

 

How?

Basing it on a few forum comments than what you've seen yourself.

 

Can you read?! I've said I've seen him play and that he's average, he wouldn't improve the team and is technically awful.

 

I haven't even read the comments from the Spanish site Ohmelads is talking about but I'd listen to their opinions as they sit in the stadium and watch him, also living in Spain they will have a better feel for the general opinion of the player.

 

How is that similar to people rating him without never seeing him play but presume he must be good because he was linked with Man Utd?

1.Once?

2.They usually end up less than half of their capacity in the stadium so i doubt it.

 

Who said Once? I think you're clutching at straws here, I've seen him play well into double figures on tv, which is what most on that forum are basing their opinions on.

 

Point 2 seems a bit desperate too tbh, if they average gates of 25,000 then chances are a good few of them on their main board go to games and watch them.

 

Question, Do you think he's better than Nicky Butt? If yes, why?

Sure you have mate Deportivo have been on Sky about 10 times in the last 3 years so i don't see how you've seen him that many times, do i think he's better than Nicky Butt? i think he's got a lot more to offer considering he's got age on his side and the main question is, do you think he would be a good addition to the squad and my answer is yes.

 

To be fair, 10 times would equate to double figures.

 

I'm sure nobody is doubting he'll make a decent addition in terms of depth, but there comes a time where you'll need quality to stand apart from that depth, which is why I'm sure some people would have preffered splashing out on a younger player with the potential to be really top class.

 

While Duscher would be a big improvement on who we had as back-up last year, will he really improve the team. Perhaps, but it does seem doubtful.

"Well into double figures" yet he's barely played in the last 2 years especially which would mean even if they were on sky, he didn't play

[Tsunami]

I'll ask again; why are we going down this route?

 

Viduka - free - no trial

Geremi - free - no trial

Ben Haim - free - no trial asked

 

Duscher - invite him for a trial

 

Sam knew the first 3 & was happy - he doesn't know Duscher but is willing to give him a trial - why? What does this say of the club (not questioning Sam here)?

 

Again, if I were Duscher & was still the man I'd tell Sam to stick his trial up his arse. If Depor rated him they'd make him a decent offer.

 

We'll get a squad player at best & one who may sit & simply pick up his cash - we do not need this anymore.

 

Sam may see him & say not good enough.

 

My concern is why this way of dealing is currently necessary.

[Guest WalkervilleMag]

I'll ask again; why are we going down this route?

 

Viduka - free - no trial

Geremi - free - no trial

Ben Haim

 

all 3 have Premiership experience ?

[toontownman]

Jay Jay, Djorkieff, Campo.  just 3 players that nobody else would touch with a bardge poll, Only Big Sam would take the gamble on them.  worked out well

 

Three players that previous to Bolton had been better players than Duscher ever has and maybe will be.

 

I cant see what the fuss is about, its just a trial for fucks sakes. We need a solid grounding and stable squad before we can attract the top class players we want.

 

Just splashing loads of money on big name players isnt going to help the books or the squad. If its about getting a few stop gap players in for this year to solidify the team so we can attract better players next year so be it.

 

Rather sign better players next year when we are in a better position, than be stuck with big money signings this summer that arent half as good, if that makes sense.

 

Signing the likes of Diarra might be a better long term bet than Duscher, but come next season or January will there be a much higher calibre of player interested?  Signing Duscher on a short term contract if he impresses cant be as much of a bad thing as people are making out.

[Alberto2005]

Was it only 3 years ago Roma were offering big money for him?

 

And Man Utd, which is what most seem to be rating him from rather than watching him with their own 2 eyes.

Hypocrite.

 

How?

Basing it on a few forum comments than what you've seen yourself.

 

Can you read?! I've said I've seen him play and that he's average, he wouldn't improve the team and is technically awful.

 

I haven't even read the comments from the Spanish site Ohmelads is talking about but I'd listen to their opinions as they sit in the stadium and watch him, also living in Spain they will have a better feel for the general opinion of the player.

 

How is that similar to people rating him without never seeing him play but presume he must be good because he was linked with Man Utd?

1.Once?

2.They usually end up less than half of their capacity in the stadium so i doubt it.

 

Who said Once? I think you're clutching at straws here, I've seen him play well into double figures on tv, which is what most on that forum are basing their opinions on.

 

Point 2 seems a bit desperate too tbh, if they average gates of 25,000 then chances are a good few of them on their main board go to games and watch them.

 

Question, Do you think he's better than Nicky Butt? If yes, why?

Sure you have mate Deportivo have been on Sky about 10 times in the last 3 years so i don't see how you've seen him that many times, do i think he's better than Nicky Butt? i think he's got a lot more to offer considering he's got age on his side and the main question is, do you think he would be a good addition to the squad and my answer is yes.

 

Nice attempt at trying to rubbish someone's opinion Alberto, Depotivo have been on Sky plenty of times over the past 3 years, considering they show on average 3 La Liga games every weekend they would have to go out of their way to avoid showing Deportivo if they could only manage to show them 10 times in that period, add to that the time I was sat in the lower tier of the Leazes when Deportivo played us in the Intertoto I'd say I've seen plenty of him.

 

So you think he's got more to offer than Butt? Like what exactly apart from age?

 

Why don't you dazzle us with your knowledge of the bloke and tell us what exactle he's got to offer us.

They show Barcelona and Real almost every week. I suggest you keep quiet and comment on players you actually know about

[Thespence]

Diarra - He is not going to be sold. Chelsea only sell us there shite, not there future.

[Baggio]

Was it only 3 years ago Roma were offering big money for him?

 

And Man Utd, which is what most seem to be rating him from rather than watching him with their own 2 eyes.

Hypocrite.

 

How?

Basing it on a few forum comments than what you've seen yourself.

 

Can you read?! I've said I've seen him play and that he's average, he wouldn't improve the team and is technically awful.

 

I haven't even read the comments from the Spanish site Ohmelads is talking about but I'd listen to their opinions as they sit in the stadium and watch him, also living in Spain they will have a better feel for the general opinion of the player.

 

How is that similar to people rating him without never seeing him play but presume he must be good because he was linked with Man Utd?

1.Once?

2.They usually end up less than half of their capacity in the stadium so i doubt it.

 

Who said Once? I think you're clutching at straws here, I've seen him play well into double figures on tv, which is what most on that forum are basing their opinions on.

 

Point 2 seems a bit desperate too tbh, if they average gates of 25,000 then chances are a good few of them on their main board go to games and watch them.

 

Question, Do you think he's better than Nicky Butt? If yes, why?

Sure you have mate Deportivo have been on Sky about 10 times in the last 3 years so i don't see how you've seen him that many times, do i think he's better than Nicky Butt? i think he's got a lot more to offer considering he's got age on his side and the main question is, do you think he would be a good addition to the squad and my answer is yes.

 

Nice attempt at trying to rubbish someone's opinion Alberto, Depotivo have been on Sky plenty of times over the past 3 years, considering they show on average 3 La Liga games every weekend they would have to go out of their way to avoid showing Deportivo if they could only manage to show them 10 times in that period, add to that the time I was sat in the lower tier of the Leazes when Deportivo played us in the Intertoto I'd say I've seen plenty of him.

 

So you think he's got more to offer than Butt? Like what exactly apart from age?

 

Why don't you dazzle us with your knowledge of the bloke and tell us what exactle he's got to offer us.

They show Barcelona and Real almost every week. I suggest you keep quiet and comment on players you actually know about

 

And Sevilla and Valencia, do Deportivo play them? Yes. So that's 8 games per season that possibly get shown on the tv. Over 3 years that's possibly 24 games.

 

I like your stance btw, if somebody disagrees with you about a player then question how many times they've seen him play in the past, if you don't like their answer then accuse them of lying. Fantastic.

 

Btw you didn't answer this - So you think he's got more to offer than Butt? Like what exactly apart from age?

 

Why don't you dazzle us with your knowledge of the bloke and tell us what exactle he's got to offer us.

 

[Alberto2005]

Was it only 3 years ago Roma were offering big money for him?

 

And Man Utd, which is what most seem to be rating him from rather than watching him with their own 2 eyes.

Hypocrite.

 

How?

Basing it on a few forum comments than what you've seen yourself.

 

Can you read?! I've said I've seen him play and that he's average, he wouldn't improve the team and is technically awful.

 

I haven't even read the comments from the Spanish site Ohmelads is talking about but I'd listen to their opinions as they sit in the stadium and watch him, also living in Spain they will have a better feel for the general opinion of the player.

 

How is that similar to people rating him without never seeing him play but presume he must be good because he was linked with Man Utd?

1.Once?

2.They usually end up less than half of their capacity in the stadium so i doubt it.

 

Who said Once? I think you're clutching at straws here, I've seen him play well into double figures on tv, which is what most on that forum are basing their opinions on.

 

Point 2 seems a bit desperate too tbh, if they average gates of 25,000 then chances are a good few of them on their main board go to games and watch them.

 

Question, Do you think he's better than Nicky Butt? If yes, why?

Sure you have mate Deportivo have been on Sky about 10 times in the last 3 years so i don't see how you've seen him that many times, do i think he's better than Nicky Butt? i think he's got a lot more to offer considering he's got age on his side and the main question is, do you think he would be a good addition to the squad and my answer is yes.

 

Nice attempt at trying to rubbish someone's opinion Alberto, Depotivo have been on Sky plenty of times over the past 3 years, considering they show on average 3 La Liga games every weekend they would have to go out of their way to avoid showing Deportivo if they could only manage to show them 10 times in that period, add to that the time I was sat in the lower tier of the Leazes when Deportivo played us in the Intertoto I'd say I've seen plenty of him.

 

So you think he's got more to offer than Butt? Like what exactly apart from age?

 

Why don't you dazzle us with your knowledge of the bloke and tell us what exactle he's got to offer us.

They show Barcelona and Real almost every week. I suggest you keep quiet and comment on players you actually know about

Yeh, it always helps if he actually plays, his game is very simple like most defensive midfielders, he wins it and gives, short passes and is very effective especially in a 4-5-1 formation, i never doubted Butt's ability i was merely outlining that signing Aldo Duscher would be a good addition to the team, i stand by that.

[La Parka]

Was it only 3 years ago Roma were offering big money for him?

 

And Man Utd, which is what most seem to be rating him from rather than watching him with their own 2 eyes.

Hypocrite.

 

How?

Basing it on a few forum comments than what you've seen yourself.

 

Can you read?! I've said I've seen him play and that he's average, he wouldn't improve the team and is technically awful.

 

I haven't even read the comments from the Spanish site Ohmelads is talking about but I'd listen to their opinions as they sit in the stadium and watch him, also living in Spain they will have a better feel for the general opinion of the player.

 

How is that similar to people rating him without never seeing him play but presume he must be good because he was linked with Man Utd?

1.Once?

2.They usually end up less than half of their capacity in the stadium so i doubt it.

 

Who said Once? I think you're clutching at straws here, I've seen him play well into double figures on tv, which is what most on that forum are basing their opinions on.

 

Point 2 seems a bit desperate too tbh, if they average gates of 25,000 then chances are a good few of them on their main board go to games and watch them.

 

Question, Do you think he's better than Nicky Butt? If yes, why?

Sure you have mate Deportivo have been on Sky about 10 times in the last 3 years so i don't see how you've seen him that many times, do i think he's better than Nicky Butt? i think he's got a lot more to offer considering he's got age on his side and the main question is, do you think he would be a good addition to the squad and my answer is yes.

 

Nice attempt at trying to rubbish someone's opinion Alberto, Depotivo have been on Sky plenty of times over the past 3 years, considering they show on average 3 La Liga games every weekend they would have to go out of their way to avoid showing Deportivo if they could only manage to show them 10 times in that period, add to that the time I was sat in the lower tier of the Leazes when Deportivo played us in the Intertoto I'd say I've seen plenty of him.

 

So you think he's got more to offer than Butt? Like what exactly apart from age?

 

Why don't you dazzle us with your knowledge of the bloke and tell us what exactle he's got to offer us.

They show Barcelona and Real almost every week. I suggest you keep quiet and comment on players you actually know about

Yeh, it always helps if he actually plays, his game is very simple like most defensive midfielders, he wins it and gives, short passes and is very effective especially in a 4-5-1 formation, i never doubted Butt's ability i was merely outlining that signing Aldo Duscher would be a good addition to the team, i stand by that.

 

Agree 100%

[Baggio]

Well if you're happy with what we've got then you've got little ambition.

 

Nicky Butt is the bench mark, he's our holding man at the moment but if we want to improve as a team then this is a position is one we should look to improve on, is Duscher better than him, IMO no, so if he comes in it means we're going to be sticking with Butt as first choice and I don't think he's good enough now to be a regular for a team hoping to push for top 6 in the league (I'm aware he played for Man Utd before anyone points it out)

 

If we want to improve as a team we're going to need better than Butt so bringing in an inferior player in the same position doesn't look good for any sort of squad strengthening in that area, it will also be safe to say that any sort of large investment from Ashley is bollocks.

[La Parka]

Well if you're happy with what we've got then you've got little ambition.

 

Nicky Butt is the bench mark, he's our holding man at the moment but if we want to improve as a team then this is a position is one we should look to improve on, is Duscher better than him, IMO no, so if he comes in it means we're going to be sticking with Butt as first choice and I don't think he's good enough now to be a regular for a team hoping to push for top 6 in the league (I'm aware he played for Man Utd before anyone points it out)

 

If we want to improve as a team we're going to need better than Butt so bringing in an inferior player in the same position doesn't look good for any sort of squad strengthening in that area, it will also be safe to say that any sort of large investment from Ashley is bollocks.

 

To be fair I'd rather we built a stable squad with depth than fanny about with big name signings right now. We were 3 points off relegation. I know the circumstances have changed a lot this summer but I see no harm in bringing in depth.

[Baggio]

Well if you're happy with what we've got then you've got little ambition.

 

Nicky Butt is the bench mark, he's our holding man at the moment but if we want to improve as a team then this is a position is one we should look to improve on, is Duscher better than him, IMO no, so if he comes in it means we're going to be sticking with Butt as first choice and I don't think he's good enough now to be a regular for a team hoping to push for top 6 in the league (I'm aware he played for Man Utd before anyone points it out)

 

If we want to improve as a team we're going to need better than Butt so bringing in an inferior player in the same position doesn't look good for any sort of squad strengthening in that area, it will also be safe to say that any sort of large investment from Ashley is bollocks.

 

To be fair I'd rather we built a stable squad with depth than fanny about with big name signings right now. We were 3 points off relegation. I know the circumstances have changed a lot this summer but I see no harm in bringing in depth.

 

But you're not imporving on your first team, if you want to do that and add depth you bring in a better player than what you've got and push the starting player down to the bench.

[La Parka]

Well if you're happy with what we've got then you've got little ambition.

 

Nicky Butt is the bench mark, he's our holding man at the moment but if we want to improve as a team then this is a position is one we should look to improve on, is Duscher better than him, IMO no, so if he comes in it means we're going to be sticking with Butt as first choice and I don't think he's good enough now to be a regular for a team hoping to push for top 6 in the league (I'm aware he played for Man Utd before anyone points it out)

 

If we want to improve as a team we're going to need better than Butt so bringing in an inferior player in the same position doesn't look good for any sort of squad strengthening in that area, it will also be safe to say that any sort of large investment from Ashley is bollocks.

 

To be fair I'd rather we built a stable squad with depth than fanny about with big name signings right now. We were 3 points off relegation. I know the circumstances have changed a lot this summer but I see no harm in bringing in depth.

 

But you're not imporving on your first team, if you want to do that and add depth you bring in a better player than what you've got and push the starting player down to the bench.

 

I think in this case its more a case of a different option for the manager. We finished low for many reasons but IMO Butt was one of the reasons we stayed up. I think I can agree with your statement if we were talking about Baba for example.

[toontownman]

Adding Duscher on a short term contract (if he impresses) will be enough to get us through the year.

 

Whilst people are quick to write off Duscher have people seen any more of the likes of Diarra?

 

I trust we will be in a much stronger position this time next year and can attract a better player for the DM spot then.

 

Its not a top priority position for us at the moment.

[La Parka]

Adding Duscher on a short term contract (if he impresses) will be enough to get us through the year.

 

Whilst people are quick to write off Duscher have people seen any more of the likes of Diarra?

 

I trust we will be in a much stronger position this time next year and can attract a better player for the DM spot then.

 

Its not a top priority position for us at the moment.

 

Agree.

 

We need a stable season to put ourselves back among the top 8. I don't care how much money we have I just want a season which we can build on to head for Europe.

[Mick]

Got to agree with OML that it seems really strange we're looking at this. It seems that there is money to spend, a good young DM with a lot of potential that can compete for the holding midfield role with Butt seems to be as obvious a place as any to spend a bit.

 

Unless Allardyce has a couple of truly big money targets in mind this all does seem a bit strange.

 

Dare I suggest that maybe we won't be spending much money at all this summer. Mort has said there is money available, but for all we know that could be £10m, and we'll need to focus it all on defence in that case.

 

Perhaps the plan is to have Allardyce work on putting together a solid, cheap squad this summer that will do us for the season while Ashley and his people review the club thoroughly from top to bottom before really splashing out next year? I'm inclined to doubt it, but it's a possibility.

 

Agree with this, judging by our business so far and who we're rumoured to be after it doesn't look as if there is that much to spend or at least no where near as much as people expect. Barring Deco we've not been linked with any big money moves, people will argue that it is still early in the window, however Allardyce himself said he wanted to have the majority of our transfers sorted by the time the season begins.

 

I'm not complaining about the situation, just trying to keep things in perspective, the takeover has put the club in a much better position than we were in. Mort has already sounded out the debt as one major problem that has to be addressed and this is reassuring, it seems things were getting out of hand under the old board. However purely from what I've seen so far it doesn't look as if we're going to be spending on the scale some other clubs have or will be doing this summer. I'm sure Allardyce will have been informed of what he has available to him and it seems by looking at deals like this he's concentrating whatever is available to him on the defense.

 

It would be interesting to know exactly how much this debt is or was.  A few people have blamed it on the ground extension but I can't see it being that as we borrowed something like £44 million which was repayable over 17 years, I think.

[toontownman]

Well if you're happy with what we've got then you've got little ambition.

 

Nicky Butt is the bench mark, he's our holding man at the moment but if we want to improve as a team then this is a position is one we should look to improve on, is Duscher better than him, IMO no, so if he comes in it means we're going to be sticking with Butt as first choice and I don't think he's good enough now to be a regular for a team hoping to push for top 6 in the league (I'm aware he played for Man Utd before anyone points it out)

 

If we want to improve as a team we're going to need better than Butt so bringing in an inferior player in the same position doesn't look good for any sort of squad strengthening in that area, it will also be safe to say that any sort of large investment from Ashley is bollocks.

 

To be fair I'd rather we built a stable squad with depth than fanny about with big name signings right now. We were 3 points off relegation. I know the circumstances have changed a lot this summer but I see no harm in bringing in depth.

 

But you're not imporving on your first team, if you want to do that and add depth you bring in a better player than what you've got and push the starting player down to the bench.

 

Yeah, but you are factoring out other points to make it a perfect world. The right players have to be available, they have to have the right mentality,

 

There is no point buying for the sake of it or buying an ok player now that we are stuck with, when we can get an adequete stop gap and get someone alot better next year.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Got to agree with OML that it seems really strange we're looking at this. It seems that there is money to spend, a good young DM with a lot of potential that can compete for the holding midfield role with Butt seems to be as obvious a place as any to spend a bit.

 

Unless Allardyce has a couple of truly big money targets in mind this all does seem a bit strange.

 

Dare I suggest that maybe we won't be spending much money at all this summer. Mort has said there is money available, but for all we know that could be £10m, and we'll need to focus it all on defence in that case.

 

Perhaps the plan is to have Allardyce work on putting together a solid, cheap squad this summer that will do us for the season while Ashley and his people review the club thoroughly from top to bottom before really splashing out next year? I'm inclined to doubt it, but it's a possibility.

 

Agree with this, judging by our business so far and who we're rumoured to be after it doesn't look as if there is that much to spend or at least no where near as much as people expect. Barring Deco we've not been linked with any big money moves, people will argue that it is still early in the window, however Allardyce himself said he wanted to have the majority of our transfers sorted by the time the season begins.

 

I'm not complaining about the situation, just trying to keep things in perspective, the takeover has put the club in a much better position than we were in. Mort has already sounded out the debt as one major problem that has to be addressed and this is reassuring, it seems things were getting out of hand under the old board. However purely from what I've seen so far it doesn't look as if we're going to be spending on the scale some other clubs have or will be doing this summer. I'm sure Allardyce will have been informed of what he has available to him and it seems by looking at deals like this he's concentrating whatever is available to him on the defense.

 

It would be interesting to know exactly how much this debt is or was.  A few people have blamed it on the ground extension but I can't see it being that as we borrowed something like £44 million which was repayable over 17 years, I think.

 

i think the reason for the slow spending could be something to do with the massive price tags being mentioned. say coming jan all the money being spent was spent in august, and were still here with 30+ million to spend we could get players a lot cheaper.

 

also if it was me i would want a squad first before i started thinking about big money buys. we still need a squad.

[toontownman]

All that said though, i will be disspointed if we missed out on the opportunity to get this guy. Better than Duscher and Diarra put together in my eyes, the man is a machine.

 

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=351489

 

[Cajun]

For me this is a transition period, will be more than happy to have this type of player coming in and building the squad then if we qualify for Europe next season we can attract the bigger and better players without having to offer other incentives to get them to sign now.

[olliemort]

All that said though, i will be disspointed if we missed out on the opportunity to get this guy. Better than Duscher and Diarra put together in my eyes, the man is a machine.

 

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=351489

 

[/uote]

 

Ya i agree Appiah is quality!

[Guest Verlaine]

Personally I don't think anyone on here has seen him enough to really justify either being positive or negative. Thankfully, none of us make the decisions, so, hey. We'll see.

[ohmelads]

I'm not against signing this guy, because I have no idea what our budget is. If it does turn out we're skint, then this could be a brilliant piece of business. And even if we're not, he might rediscover his form of a few years back. I'm more concerned that this signing suggests the kitty is a lot smaller than I thought.

 

On the one hand I'm happy to see us targeting a DM. Butt was never going to be enough to get us through the season, he can have his injury problems and I wouldn't be comfortable pushing Emre or Barton to play as a DM.

 

I can handle seeing Duscher and Butt as our DMs if we bring in a good LB and CB. We'll know more about how astute this signing is when we see his performances and find out how much money was indeed available.

[Thespence]

It would be interesting to know exactly how much this debt is or was.  A few people have blamed it on the ground extension but I can't see it being that as we borrowed something like £44 million which was repayable over 17 years, I think.

 

It is interim report:

loan £48,176,000

Overdraft  £20,808,000

 

From what I can make it out it cost £11,897,00 to service the above.

 

The clubs liabilities total £75,955,00 & current liabilities total £76,322,000 = Total liabilities £152,277,000. Not 100% sure which figure equal the club debt but I am sure the boards resident account will let us know what is.

 

Numbers correct as 31/12/2006.

[Baggio]

£80.9 million.