madras

NE5...the books had to be put in order,the more I see the more I think how bad things were getting financially. I posted as much a while back when you stated that Mna utd et al aren't worried by their debt etc to which I responded that they were turning massive operating profits and we weren't....i don't believe you got back to me on how much debt you thought it was wise for us to carry while not making profits ?

Rubbish. The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce. If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job. Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation. Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. and there you have it. Although some people would watch us sliding down to the 3rd division and just as long as he doesn't call our women dogs or say we are idiots for buying 40 quid shirts [i mean who is daft enough to pay 40 quid for a football shirt] then he'll be better chairman and owner than the fat b****** and the Halls. Just for the record I didn't intend my post to be a ringing endorsement of the old board by the way. It's just a list of decisions Ashley/Mort have made that have imo played a huge part in where we find ourselves now. Some of the more "questionable" decisions they have made are almost direct repeats of decisions made by the old board that (admittedly with hindsight) we now know to have been highly damaging mistakes. I know. I don't deliberately intend myself to make ringing endorsements of the old board either, but just by pointing out that the things they did do right maybe suggests they did a lot more things that were right than people realise, or in some cases, are prepared to admit and I don't mean you. I just agree with you completely that, for better or worse, its been Ashleys club since last summer so its all been his responsibility ever since. If he didn't want Allardyce he should have replaced him, or backed him. It was his choice. he did back him to the tune of what the previous board did on average didn't he ? he also backed him more than Gordon McKeag but didn't break the world transfer record did fat fred break the record every season ? no so why should ashley. telll you what, put your stats where your gob is and post the season on season net spend since shepherd took over then we'll compare. I added to the last post. I'm not interested in "net" spend. For starters, the clubs have more money now. I'm more bothered about the clubs league position. The last board rose to the challenge of their competitors/rivals and beat most of them and qualified for europe more than all of them bar 4. Ashley has to do the same. How can you say you're not interested in net spend when you've been banging on about it all season? Rubbish. The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce. If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job. Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation. Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. and there you have it. Although some people would watch us sliding down to the 3rd division and just as long as he doesn't call our women dogs or say we are idiots for buying 40 quid shirts [i mean who is daft enough to pay 40 quid for a football shirt] then he'll be better chairman and owner than the fat b****** and the Halls. Just for the record I didn't intend my post to be a ringing endorsement of the old board by the way. It's just a list of decisions Ashley/Mort have made that have imo played a huge part in where we find ourselves now. Some of the more "questionable" decisions they have made are almost direct repeats of decisions made by the old board that (admittedly with hindsight) we now know to have been highly damaging mistakes. I know. I don't deliberately intend myself to make ringing endorsements of the old board either, but just by pointing out that the things they did do right maybe suggests they did a lot more things that were right than people realise, or in some cases, are prepared to admit and I don't mean you. I just agree with you completely that, for better or worse, its been Ashleys club since last summer so its all been his responsibility ever since. If he didn't want Allardyce he should have replaced him, or backed him. It was his choice. he did back him to the tune of what the previous board did on average didn't he ? he also backed him more than Gordon McKeag but didn't break the world transfer record did fat fred break the record every season ? no so why should ashley. telll you what, put your stats where your gob is and post the season on season net spend since shepherd took over then we'll compare. I added to the last post. I'm not interested in "net" spend. For starters, the clubs have more money now. I'm more bothered about the clubs league positions The last board rose to the challenge of their competitors/rivals and beat most of them, by virtue of qualifying for europe more than all of them bar 4. Ashley has to do the same. right then,lets keep it equal if it's not by backing but league position they shall be judged (talk about moving the posts) then ashley will have to have as long before judging him.

He was on our books. Spurs bought his old man a car & give him some £££'s (a big deal in the 1980s) so he never signed pro with us. Harry Redknapp says in his book that Shaun Murrays treatment at Spurs is one of the reason Jamie did not sign for them as kid. Played for Portsmouth, Scarborough & Bradford (like you said). Maybe the odd other club after that. he played for pompey after leaving spurs and played for them up here (i remember standing in the a-wing screaming at ray ranson to kick him as he didn't like the physical aspect..............i knew shaun for a long time as a kid,really nice lad,when he'd come back up he never played the big timer even when at spurs,he tried to chat my sis up and never let on what he done just that he knew me to play football with). went on to play for blackpool and notts county amongst others.

Rubbish. The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce. If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job. Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation. Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. and there you have it. Although some people would watch us sliding down to the 3rd division and just as long as he doesn't call our women dogs or say we are idiots for buying 40 quid shirts [i mean who is daft enough to pay 40 quid for a football shirt] then he'll be better chairman and owner than the fat b****** and the Halls. Just for the record I didn't intend my post to be a ringing endorsement of the old board by the way. It's just a list of decisions Ashley/Mort have made that have imo played a huge part in where we find ourselves now. Some of the more "questionable" decisions they have made are almost direct repeats of decisions made by the old board that (admittedly with hindsight) we now know to have been highly damaging mistakes. I know. I don't deliberately intend myself to make ringing endorsements of the old board either, but just by pointing out that the things they did do right maybe suggests they did a lot more things that were right than people realise, or in some cases, are prepared to admit and I don't mean you. I just agree with you completely that, for better or worse, its been Ashleys club since last summer so its all been his responsibility ever since. If he didn't want Allardyce he should have replaced him, or backed him. It was his choice. he did back him to the tune of what the previous board did on average didn't he ? he also backed him more than Gordon McKeag but didn't break the world transfer record did fat fred break the record every season ? no so why should ashley. telll you what, put your stats where your gob is and post the season on season net spend since shepherd took over then we'll compare.

Rubbish. The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce. If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job. Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation. Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. and there you have it. Although some people would watch us sliding down to the 3rd division and just as long as he doesn't call our women dogs or say we are idiots for buying 40 quid shirts [i mean who is daft enough to pay 40 quid for a football shirt] then he'll be better chairman and owner than the fat b****** and the Halls. Just for the record I didn't intend my post to be a ringing endorsement of the old board by the way. It's just a list of decisions Ashley/Mort have made that have imo played a huge part in where we find ourselves now. Some of the more "questionable" decisions they have made are almost direct repeats of decisions made by the old board that (admittedly with hindsight) we now know to have been highly damaging mistakes. I know. I don't deliberately intend myself to make ringing endorsements of the old board either, but just by pointing out that the things they did do right maybe suggests they did a lot more things that were right than people realise, or in some cases, are prepared to admit and I don't mean you. I just agree with you completely that, for better or worse, its been Ashleys club since last summer so its all been his responsibility ever since. If he didn't want Allardyce he should have replaced him, or backed him. It was his choice. he did back him to the tune of what the previous board did on average didn't he ?

i understand what HTT is on about but i think he's struggled to get it over well. i think what he's getting at is whereas if we were in mid-table the football would have taken a back seat by now,but now we all know who reading play next and are doing calculations on scraps of paper about how many points we and the others should get.....it does get you going.it may not be enjoyable but for me the sense of relief on that day in leicester was greater than the joy of winning promotion the following season,barcleona,milan,feyenoord or 2 FA cup semi wins. don't read this wrong ,i'd prefer to win, but being where we are does get the adrenalin going in a different sort of way.

This thread has gone from being potentially brilliant, to being the same as all the others once the usual suspect(s) got involved. you're right of course, all it lacked was a "splash the cash you fat b******" What the f*** are you on about? do you copy and paste every post you make No it's a serious question as you seem like a fully fledged flid that deserves his eyelids welded together. it isn't so difficult to work out I am going to wrap a shopping trolley around your head and smash a paving slab into your teeth. don't worry NE5. my guess is he wont.

rebel yell....re butt....i watched the match but you'll need to explain. better than barton on the day (and at least barton done something yesterday for a change)

play like we did yeaterday for the remainder of the season and we wont go down on the other hand that was possibly about the best we've played in the last 18months and who is too say we'll get one more performance like that before the end of the season let alone several.

Did you not see him getting held back! It was right in front of the linesman's eyes! you need to watch it again,he wasn't held back but moved in to the back of a defender after being legitimatly muscled off the ball. and made out he was blocked (had a blackburn player tried it he'd have been slaughtered) however to blame him fot the goal is too far. the blame was more organisational with enrique being trapped on his own. i guess with us pressing for the goal and time running down someone got caught too far up field when they should have been covering or maybe we did actuall deliberatly commit more going for the win and got caught out.

Have a word with yourself Madras; he missed them both so he didn't do everything right. Like he also missed against Wigan in the same position (& Everton? too when he came on as half time sub with his first touch). Take a look at the goals he has scored of late, fox in the box or headers, decent chances on the deck & he has missed. The real sad thing is that Martins is no better at putting that type of chance in. the header was aswell hit as he could have,the side footer was as ronaldos last week in the same position...if harper had saved that you'd have wet your knicks. fucked up for the one in the first half like i said.

he also has the weird idea of ,when under pressure,play it down the channel,hopefully a forward may read it and go for (unlucky for him the last forward we had to read that was les ferdinand)

disheartening today. owen done everything right on two chances,two very good saves and blew the one where he got past the keeper. i'd still like to have seen n'zogbia in the middle instead of barton who,to be fair created two very good chances but diappeared for the other 89mins defensivly and offensivly.

I heard a good training method is to play Wall with someone else. You have to kick the ball at the wall in such a way that the other player can't return it, so you end up having to play the ball at some really awkward moments which you otherwise would avoid. Wallie! Its been a while. What a game! is that not the game known as "spot" ? and isn't keefaz's wembley doubles not "world cup doubles" ? "garages" was my own personal favourite

i wish martins would use his pace and work the channels a bit more. his pace is like crouch's height in that it seems like they both it's unfair to use them.

You told me you were s*** a while back I was being humble. Actually thinking about my 'ability' I'm not that bad to be fair to myself. My control is sloppy and very poor but I have decent technique and can proudly say that I am comfortably and genuinly two-footed. I'm not the strongest physically and I'm piss poor in the air and skills wise, I have none. You won't catch me doing a trick. I'm not the most elegant at dribbling either (due to my poor control) but I'm lightning quick and my decision making is of a high standard. I also work extremely hard, have good leadership qualities as I am very vocal and I have an excellent attitude on the pitch. I also have good spatial awareness and a creative brain, not that what I try comes off all that often. All down to a street football education too. so basically,you are quick,know what to do but don't have the talent to do it ?

If we survive, it won't be disgraceful. It'll have given him 5 months to have a look at the players at the club and 5 months to scout players. If we survive, it'll have been a wise decision not to sign anyone in the Jan window. Wise? Jesus Christ. It will be fortunate. Wise would of been getting some players in who could spark a very poor season. Wise? mackems.gif Fuking hell. Typical short-term outlook. Wise? Fortunate? Semantics as far as I'm concern. We won't be stuck with overpaid players whom we've overpaid for and might not even need. Typical short term look? Shut the fuk up man, If you cannot see that our inactivity in the winter window has had a negative effect on this club you want (and i've thought this for a while now) shot with your own s***. We are already stuck with overpaid wasters, and what's to say KK in the summer (and what's to say he would do it in the winter window) wont do the same again or equally as bad, stick with the wasters we've got and treat them like 1st teamers? inactivity ? the club was active but without getting the players in...there is a difference. if you can not get in the players you want do you think it's right to get others in for the sake of it ?

we gave up our team due to skinny,wimpy 20 year old wankers throwing themselves on the ground as soon as you looked a them. no point in playing with people like that. just stick to the pub now.

there we go then...if we spend more than that in the summer i'd vote to keep NE5 but have a " mackems.gif" killing party

the line in sand has been drawn

he'll take into account inflation,check the stat of evary player and slag each one off for not being brilliant or climb aboard the bandwagon (begrudgingly) He'll only conceed in 10 years time when Ashley et al have helped us to finish in the top 10, 4 times. you mean "top4 ,10 times" ?

he'll take into account inflation,check the stat of evary player and slag each one off for not being brilliant or climb aboard the bandwagon (begrudgingly)

I love the smiley, it removes the need to reply. i hate that smiley now. now and again NE5 does come up with a good point but his use of that smiley is like my older sisters fake gloating laugh when we were kids.

weeelll....i don't know. now and again we've had floods the dutch (breda) were very canny,the turks (fener...crushed dog shit)were worth it for the giggle....who are you protesting against ?

But doesn't extend as far as a club hovering above relegation spending £150M? I haven't got a clue what your point is. I think this phrase "trophy player" is f****** stupid and only dreamed up by people aiming to shoot the last chairman for the hideous crime of trying to back his manager to buy quality players. Which leads on of course to the current situation, and the fact that alll these superior "team" players have left us with a better team. Of course. In my opinion, if the club has spent 150m quid [over what time period] then they obviously haven't bought enough of these despicable "trophy" players, because if they did, we would be doing a lot better, like the big 4 who buy these despicable "trophy" players all the time Ashley, Mort and average players are obviously better though mackems.gif the same average players (or expendature as 03-04,04-05) ?