madras

each home game he's played till today (can't comment on the aways),played well but not outstanding. defended strong,hadn't been given a run around and looked for balls in behind the oppos full back and centre half that everyone else in the country plays to turn the opps defence but we can not do.

our we going to just blame the defence for the defending ?

he's been ok this season....shite today

it's cumulative and comes from all the weeks of shit tactics and formations. you have half a point, if we'd played well the last few weeks we may have got away with shit tactics in this isoltaed game, but week after week wears away at confidence teamwork.

Regardless of tactics and formations the players should put in 100% every week, if it isnt working then fine, on the managers head be it, but how do we know the managers tactics arnt working if the players dont perform? Players turning on the manager and making the fans sit through non performances like today is unacceptable and the players should be ashamed. it's not effort,players can give 100% but if they don't feel right it doesn't come off,no lack of effort involved. alan smith gave 100% today You have to agree though mate, apart from Smith, Martins and Given, no one played like they wanted to be there today, as for Smith and Martins, they may have scored had they got even any service at all, we hadnt even had a shot on target today butt gave everything and beye till swamped. it does get to you,in any walk of life when you're being pissed around like that,you can still put the effort in but the results aren't great.

they should have had 7 or 8 and didn't look a great side either

Regardless of tactics and formations the players should put in 100% every week, if it isnt working then fine, on the managers head be it, but how do we know the managers tactics arnt working if the players dont perform? Players turning on the manager and making the fans sit through non performances like today is unacceptable and the players should be ashamed. it's not effort,players can give 100% but if they don't feel right it doesn't come off,no lack of effort involved. alan smith gave 100% today

all it says is the players are disgruntled...if you were a player in his team would you be disgruntled at his formations,team selections and tactics ?

not behaving like children but being disgruntled about a manager who doesn't appear to want to get the best from them.

if it's due to the tactics and formations the players are right.

i'd doubt the training regime is what is pissing the players off. shit tactics and formations are a more likely source. are the players man enough to take this up with allardyce ?

think we may have snatched a draw against the mackems today

consider a thread title change to "sack,back or smoke the crack"

The majority do, as was proven today. The likes of Howaythelads and NE5 have a louder voice on the message board than their mute presence in the real world. going slightly over the top aren't you. from my seat for everyone clapping someone else was complaining at the clapping while the majority sat and watched.

How very zany of you to say so. if any manager is told there is an almost limitless transfer kitty then we can have almost anyone (it's the mourinho situation). is ashley prepared to do that and has he already put enough in ?

Yep, it was all the fans fault. Get a f****** grip. i couldn't understand it either. didn't make any difference to the score but i don't like applauding the opposition during a game. i thought the crowd (12th man in the ultra's eyes) were supposed to encourage their own and try to put off the opposition.

Same as every other one at the minute. This place is slowly becoming s*** unfortunately it tends to follow the football and confidence about the club. the board is good when we are doing well but it gets catty and bitchy when we aren't

i'd feel easier saying sack him if i felt confident in getting a suitable replacement

keep him because of what other people would think ? Keep him because we need some continuity. They would be laughing because they would be right in thinking that our club and our fans are a joke. we've been a joke all season apart from everton,spurs at home and bolton away. you'll find the sides with continuity do it from a position of strength,not many clubs sack a manager who is doing well.

I think any manager who has a postive approach to winning football matches and puts that ahead of pissing themselves to death at the thought of losing matches (transmitting that negative approach to the players) will improve the performances without spending a single penny. This is one area where he has totally off his own back given the game away. He hasn't re-adjusted to thinking big. not even thinking big,it's the basics.

I think any manager who has a postive approach to winning football matches and puts that ahead of pissing themselves to death at the thought of losing matches (transmitting that negative approach to the players) will improve the performances without spending a single penny. aye

But surely so much (the medium to long term term future of the club) shouldn't hinge on so little (four fixtures, including two very challenging ones) I think you only have to look at the able though. If we do that poorly in our next 4 fixtures then I can see us being down to atleast 14th, 15th or 16th and after almost half the season you know your in trouble if you are that far down the league. the table doesn't matter. we could have had the results we've had and been OK with it. it's the manner in which those results have come about that is leading to the unrest

3-5-2 for all of 10mins

big pay off after realising the job was too big for him

Why'd you think that is? Some thing's that might be relevant: He had a long time at Bolton to instil those values within the fabric of the club. We've not had any of that for a very long time. Maybe it just takes longer than we think? aswell as planning for the future you have to remember the present. and continually sending out unbalanced teams is doing no good in the present. the better the present ,the better his plans for the future can be, what is sending out teams to get 0-0 draws at derby-reading-sunderland and, it now appears home games against anyone half decent doing for the present or future of the club. I'm not trying to defend any of that though. I'm just wondering why it is that Sam doesn't seem to be behaving like himself. plenty of managers have been "1 clubbers" who just couldn't re-create what they could do at another,usually bigger club.