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so you don't believe they are looking for new players ?

sure i read somewhere that barnes is off to spurs in the summer for £3mill.deals agreed and pre-contracts done etc.....may be media bull but i read it somewhere.

not having a go biggs but why is now different to other times in the past 30 when we were obviously going backwrads yet you renewed?

Ok, just before I go I'll answer this. Nobody has said that, Dave. But the fact is many people were actually happy with Bellamy at the club until the souness propaganda machine kicked in. There is a connection. Nobody has said that apart from you and your other account always bringing up the "Souness propoganda machine" in every thread about Bellamy as if he was always the perfect little angel. Souness may have set him up but it wasn't exactly the hardest thing to do was it? irrelevant. As Dave said ..... "Of that there is no doubt. Football fans are fickle, it is proven after every game and result. People love to fight the corner of our players and slag off ones who leave on bad terms." Not all supporters are fickle, and love to fight the corner of our players. It depends how you view the situation and events. In my view, I saw Bellamy as having more to offer Newcastle United than Souness, and correctly - in my opinion - saw Souness as the person who was putting himself before the best interests of the club, and he was the manager....I don't put any of my views before such bias, a good player is a good player, full stop, whoever he plays for. nough to play for the team he supported as a boy - now - but he sure as hell was completely committed to playing for Newcastle united and didn't want to leave the clubCraig Bellamy may well be happy e. Chris Waddle, Peter Beardsley and Gazza left Newcastle United for far more "treacherous" reasons in my eyes, being local lads, because they WANTED to leave. However understandable their reasons were. the man who shouted "f*** off" to robson and ignored team orders,who said,"if rooney comes i'll have to consider my position" doesn't sound like the player you describe. He wanted to play for Newcastle. Would you prefer someone happy to sit on the bench ? Nowt wrong with wanting to play ....... they should all want to play ....... BTW mate, this is the same player who played for 18 months - 54 games - with a serious knee injury that could have finished his career, and was STILL the most committed player in the team for a lot of games. How committed is that ..... for desire,ameobi and dabizas did that.yes bellamy was a better but not the player some on here make him out. i personally think bellmay was heading the way he was even without souness,it will be interesting to see if liverpool try to get shot of him(as is the rumour,even before the game of golf)in the summer. tin hat time,i think he is very good but over rated,his game up here the other weekend was typical bellamy,scored a simple chance,missed a few more simple chances,looked better than product.

Ok, just before I go I'll answer this. Nobody has said that, Dave. But the fact is many people were actually happy with Bellamy at the club until the souness propaganda machine kicked in. There is a connection. Nobody has said that apart from you and your other account always bringing up the "Souness propoganda machine" in every thread about Bellamy as if he was always the perfect little angel. Souness may have set him up but it wasn't exactly the hardest thing to do was it? irrelevant. As Dave said ..... "Of that there is no doubt. Football fans are fickle, it is proven after every game and result. People love to fight the corner of our players and slag off ones who leave on bad terms." Not all supporters are fickle, and love to fight the corner of our players. It depends how you view the situation and events. In my view, I saw Bellamy as having more to offer Newcastle United than Souness, and correctly - in my opinion - saw Souness as the person who was putting himself before the best interests of the club, and he was the manager....I don't put any of my views before such bias, a good player is a good player, full stop, whoever he plays for. nough to play for the team he supported as a boy - now - but he sure as hell was completely committed to playing for Newcastle united and didn't want to leave the clubCraig Bellamy may well be happy e. Chris Waddle, Peter Beardsley and Gazza left Newcastle United for far more "treacherous" reasons in my eyes, being local lads, because they WANTED to leave. However understandable their reasons were. the man who shouted "fuck off" to robson and ignored team orders,who said,"if rooney comes i'll have to consider my position" doesn't sound like the player you describe.

it's bellamy man,brings out the worst in people.

i'll go,already got £20 towards my renewal. won't be renewing the cup direct debit though.

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no it doesn't...it's got little to do with goals,but how well the player plays and how well the team plays with that player in.

And booing somebody who still gave 100% effort out on the pitch despite being 'targeted for removal', and reportedly belittled in front of the entire 1st team squad by the idiot charge. Bellamy's performance level at the time, even when played out of position, imo overshadowed Shearer's showings and the subsequent body language & effort displayed out on the pitch during the final months of Gullit's tenureship. Both players', at their respective troubled periods at the club, days were numbered - ie. if both managers had their way - under two managers who had absolutely no confidence in the players in question whether it be for footballing or non-footballing reasons. So by comparing both Bellamy and Shearer's respective levels of effort & commitment during the aforementioned periods there's alot to be said in favour Bellamy's intestinal fortitude when faced with the environment of being targetted by an incumbent manger in charge. I know many supporters will obviously will take issue this point just because Bellamy and Shearer have mentioned in the same breath of air - as a point of comparison that is. On to another comparison, that being Bellamy's reception on the weekend & Owen's at Anfield last year. Owen, with the aid of his agent - by constantly stalling contract talks & essentially playing Houllier and the Liverpool for fools for about 18 months, engineered his way out of Anfield so his reception was to be expected. Many Liverpool supporters think ill of him and understandably so - he was developed & nurtured by the club before taking the piss. The reception afforded to Bellamy - ie. for a bloke who wanted to stay, contrary to Owen at Liverpool - was sad indeed. The same clowns, and they were probably the same type who were spouting s**** in the manner of "i hope somebody snaps the little Welsh f***ers legs off" in the week leading up to the game. I wonder if they also, and this refers to your point as to whether or not they'd shake the Scottish shitstain's hand, nodded in aknowlegement while shedding tears when Shearer dedicated his record breaking goal to the very same shitstain. that could be matched by the beardsley/waddle receptions at SJP after moving. strange for a player who gave 100%for us he told robson to "fuck off" and disobeyed match instructions,said if we bought rooney would have to /"consider his position"..even before this weekends shenanigans rumours were in hubcapland he was on his way this summer.as for body language blah blah,think of bellamys when played wide then think of taylors,solanos,milners,duffswhen played out of position...ffs man even steven carr!!!!!!

i dont class sibiesrski as a forward.like dyer,not a foward nor midfielder be.

or how they played...i've seen forwards play shit,score twice and be man of the match when they've been the worst player on the pitch.

i don't think ameobi is as bad as made out but only as a squad player. Agree for now. It would be good if he's 4th choice though eventually I'd prefer to see him on his way. as and when.........if we have him fit i'd rather concentrate cash elsewhere,and give him a year being fit to prove himself.

i don't think ameobi is as bad as made out but only as a squad player.

He's good, potentially going to be better than Lom But anyone suggesting throwing a 16 year old kid into a vital European match is off their tits. We're playing amateurs though... We're playing European quality opposition, in a match potentially worth millions to the club. They didn't look quality on Thursday, and I doubt they will next Thursday either. Not saying we should consider this a given, or that we should start Kaz, but they are a really poor side and I can't see them scoring three times at SJP They've tonked 4+ goals past decent opposition before. I agree they are a weak side, but they are no mugs. When its the 80th minute of the game and we are leading by 2 goals then play Kazenga if the manager thinks he's ready or do we hoy every kid witha few good games in the reserves in to the first team..............a good manager knows when to throw kids in,without being forced to by injuries,this was roeders strong thing at west ham. It wasn't, the only well known player he handed a debut to at West Ham that I know of was Glen Johnson. Carrick, Defoe and Cole all made their debuts under Harry Redknapp. Defoe only played so many games as well in that relegation season due to Di Canio and Kanoute's injuries. given their debuts under redknapp,given regular starts under roeder,joe cole,lampard and johnson all on record about this. Lampard didn't even play for West Ham under Roeder. Also Cole was one of the biggest young talents around at the time, you knew his name before he'd even played in the first team. EDIT - Just had a look at Cole's record at West Ham... 99-00 West Ham 1 Goals, 22 Games 00-01 West Ham 5 Goals, 30 Games Roeder didn't take charge until the 01-02 season had started. and they all blah on about the effect roeder had on them........................i may be confusing lampard with ferdinand.

Ashton is very similar to Owen in that they are both injury prone. Harsh, he's had a broken ankle and thats it. Regularly injured for West Ham since signing for them. The next Big Dunc imo. badly broken ankle has got to be seen as different to repeated muscular problems ?

He's good, potentially going to be better than Lom But anyone suggesting throwing a 16 year old kid into a vital European match is off their tits. We're playing amateurs though... We're playing European quality opposition, in a match potentially worth millions to the club. They didn't look quality on Thursday, and I doubt they will next Thursday either. Not saying we should consider this a given, or that we should start Kaz, but they are a really poor side and I can't see them scoring three times at SJP They've tonked 4+ goals past decent opposition before. I agree they are a weak side, but they are no mugs. When its the 80th minute of the game and we are leading by 2 goals then play Kazenga if the manager thinks he's ready or do we hoy every kid witha few good games in the reserves in to the first team..............a good manager knows when to throw kids in,without being forced to by injuries,this was roeders strong thing at west ham. It wasn't, the only well known player he handed a debut to at West Ham that I know of was Glen Johnson. Carrick, Defoe and Cole all made their debuts under Harry Redknapp. Defoe only played so many games as well in that relegation season due to Di Canio and Kanoute's injuries. given their debuts under redknapp,given regular starts under roeder,joe cole,lampard and johnson all on record about this.

He's good, potentially going to be better than Lom But anyone suggesting throwing a 16 year old kid into a vital European match is off their tits. We're playing amateurs though... We're playing European quality opposition, in a match potentially worth millions to the club. They didn't look quality on Thursday, and I doubt they will next Thursday either. Not saying we should consider this a given, or that we should start Kaz, but they are a really poor side and I can't see them scoring three times at SJP They've tonked 4+ goals past decent opposition before. I agree they are a weak side, but they are no mugs. When its the 80th minute of the game and we are leading by 2 goals then play Kazenga if the manager thinks he's ready or do we hoy every kid witha few good games in the reserves in to the first team..............a good manager knows when to throw kids in,without being forced to by injuries,this was roeders strong thing at west ham.

the "carelessness in possession" could soon be remedied up front when martins finishes his adjustment(if you cant see his improvment since he came you haven't been watching) and when we get another forward up there.......martins movement will also look better with another forward. at last some are relising that defending isn't just down to the defence but runs through the team and good defending starts off as soon as we lose the ball,wherever on the pitch.

we've all done it after a few drinks,you know,mates pissed and passed out,balance a golf ball on his face and tee off.....don't forget to replace the divits.

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I must have posted this about a dozen times. at the end of either of the liam 'o' games at roker park,the poilice kept us back,players wives,families etc were walking round the pitch from the clock stand, a young lad,5ish threw his balaclava onto the pitch,then runs on and kicks it,about a dozen geordies see it and cheer,he kicks it again,a few more cheer,within a minute he is racing towards the fulwell and all the geordies are cheering like the game is still on,que pandemonium when he puts the balaclave over the line at the fulwell end.

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