BottledDog

I may have been conservative here.

3-1 loss.

Not until that £18m clears up, no. In fact, I wouldn't take a lot of convincing to believe that that's the actual reason behind him deferring the payment.

Well yes, but a top eight or top ten target would be achieved equally as well by coming 1st, 4th or 6th.

Seems pretty good to me. Means that once we've paid back the £18m we'll be effectively debt free, and subsequently all monies generated will be the clubs to use. Maybe I should clarify. Can you not see you're being led down the garden path? They continuously change their story as they go along, with the only constant being they systematically notch down the level of ambition. We went from a club aiming for Europe and targeting the best young players around the world to set up a world class academy to a club happy to survive in the Premier League targeting local youngsters for its academy. If it's not being spent paying back debt, then it'll stay in the club. No? If not, we'll have a new thing to attack but until that happens, it's clearly a good thing. What it'll be spent on though, who knows. Maybe that Category One academy we have apparently just built under Ashley.

But aren't these targets just the minimum of what the club expects to do? And basically just made internally in order to make, among other things, future financial decisions behind the scenes. We expected a minimum top 8. We dropped a bollock, Pardew got called in to explain himself, realised they both fucked the squad up, and reduced the minimum to be top 10 for this season. But whatever the club aim, beyond the lack of investment, it shouldn't have any effect on where the team ends up. The manager and players just need to do the best they can and target the highest possible position. 1st, until it's mathematically impossible.

Seems pretty good to me. Means that once we've paid back the £18m we'll be effectively debt free, and subsequently all monies generated will be the clubs to use.

Ha, I'd not be sending that back to be fair.

No doubt about it Agreed. If you actually had a Category 1 academy I presume you would be shouting it from the rooftops. From the Fan Forum Minutes - "The board stated that the club had spent significant sums on the development side to get the Academy up to Category 1 status (i.e. investment in staffing and facilities)." Does that suggest we've actually made it!?!? Wish they would shout it from the rooftops to be honest. It's difficult to get much sense from these short answers in a meeting without much, if any context.

Regarding the cups. Very weak answers from the club there; just easily trotted out excuses that barely have anything to do with the points from the floor. Yeah, we get that you're running scared because we nearly went down, but fuck me going for a cup doesn't automatically mean relegation. And yeah, the Europa league affected our league results maybe, but would an FA cup or league cup run really cripple us!?!? If so, then we need to buy some more fucking players.

There is no exact wording, though the link half way down this article may provide it on... er... Tuesday. Censored, or just useless gets? Either way.

http://www.designerstalk.com/forums/attachments/help-me/11682d1336058742-international-freelance-quandry-you-aint-seen-me-right.jpg What money?!

I'm not sure 'excel' is exactly the word for it.

Could only manage the first page there, but generally very positive. Worrying.

Graham...

Ummm... No. They clearly have.

Both of them have got to cup finals with lesser teams. When did Kinnear get to a Cup Final as a manager? Got to both the league cup, and the FA cup finals with the Wombles iirc. No he didnt Fuck. Whats that got to do with what you said? Edit: See you removed the 1996/97 question too As in, Fuck, I'm an idiot. He only managed a semi (well, two). See, the Kinnear brainwashing works!

Both of them have got to cup finals with lesser teams. When did Kinnear get to a Cup Final as a manager? Got to both the league cup, and the FA cup finals with the Wombles iirc. No he didnt Fuck.

Both of them have got to cup finals with lesser teams. When did Kinnear get to a Cup Final as a manager? Got to both the league cup, and the FA cup finals with the Wombles iirc. Edit: Wiki agrees, though that could be Kinnear up to his spouting shit trick again.

Defending what? All I've seen is some countering the idea floated that it means we have 'No Interest Whatsoever In Winning Cups'. Call it what you want, it's the same people instantly taking an opposing view to anything negative said about the regime and their puppet. "The thread title is a bit misleading isn't it? The haven't said they have NO interest, just that they don't really have much of an interest, or something. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. They're just being honest!" Yep Nah. There are things reported from the meeting that are a joke, the SD advertising excuse for instance, good luck finding an opposing view on that. But it is absolute bollocks that cup competitions being lower down on our list of priorities than the league means we have no interest in winning a cup. Is this really deserving of your outrage? Really? A) I'd suggest it's the standard response you'd get from any clubs financial Director. B) We did pretty well in a cup competition last year, taking it increasingly seriously. C) Our captain and manager clearly want to win something in their careers. D) We may use some squad players in earlier rounds, but I'd seriously doubt that when it comes to the crunch, because it's not our 'main priority' we'll just jack it off. I'm not defending what Irving said (or the regime, or the puppet), just think the reaction to it is, again, stupidly over the top.

Tron rates him. Have to say, my experience talking to Brighton fans has been along the same lines as yours. But as said, worth a gamble considering the position the mackems find themselves in.

Defending what? All I've seen is people countering the idea floated that it means we have 'No Interest Whatsoever In Winning Cups'.

Any appointment is a gamble at the end of the day, but at least the owner has tried to appoint a manager who is generally considered to be a prospect. Other than pay to hire the best, it's what most football clubs with any regard for their fans and reputation would do. Meh. Cheap appointment of an out of work, overly defensive, whining death mask of an lower league manager. I agree with Brett. He's worth a gamble, but lets not climb up into Ellis Shorts' shorts and camp around his ring piece over it.