Keefaz

Wheeled out the 'well we used to call Viduka a fat bastard: some thing, innit?' excuse as well. It's not the same thing, and there's a fucking good reason there's a zero tolerance policy on racism in football grounds.

Brighton.

Well said. I think Sam has got a handle on the fans and that we're occasionally a little...enthusiastic. Giving the lad time to adapt and blend in is just what's required. If we can get this one to work, it might just restore my faith in Spanish players.

It was for charity. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5530/10324512al5.jpg

...or not.

Tyne Bridge.

Would basically never play Smith unless I see a vast improvement. Has been fucking hopeless so far.

I don't think we have many racist fans, but it was such a stupid thing to do and is going to be blown out of all proportion we'll end up looking fucking awful. The shoe-bomber lookalike excuse is fucking feeble, and if you don't think so, imagine having to explain it to one of your Asian mates if you were ever asked about it.

No, man. Regardless of how he looks, you can't call a Muslim a fucking terrorist without expecting to get some flak and be branded a racist. Call him a fat, useless, workshy tosser.

Not for me, mate. If I'm having some banter in a pub, and call one the lads Fred West, we can all have a laugh. There's not a fucking chance I'm going to call a Asian mate a terrorist for laughs.

I hardly think that's the same as calling a Muslim player a terrorist, is it? If you can't see how that could be misconstrued or thought to be racist, you're thick as two short planks, mate. Err, surely the first example he gave, which was calling Andy Griffin "Fred West", is just as bad? He's calling somebody a serial killer based on their appearance. Or does that excuse only work for ethnic minority players? I can understand if some fans are trying to wind him up, but calling a Muslim player a terrorist--regardless of how much he looks like the fucking shoe bomber--is sailing fucking close to the wind, as well you know.

I hardly think that's the same as calling a Muslim player a terrorist, is it? If you can't see how that could be misconstrued or thought to be racist, you're thick as two short planks, mate.

I like the hired hands failing, but for me mackems (Makel/Robinson) or there next sooperstar (Brady/Butler) failing not only in football but life gives me more a warm glow. Started doing alright again once he left the mackems, though. Good on him.

He does look like the shoe bomber, like.

I think the terrorist stuff is out of order and does us no favours whatsoever. Nice that Ashley chose this as the first match to attend: wonder what he made of it?

They always have been over the moon with a draw from us. It's fucking embarassing for them. Remember a couple of seasons back at SJP finished 0-0 and the entire away section was doing an 'Easy! Easy!' chant. Cringe.

Ramage's looked very bad, tbh. In absolute agony. Can see him being out most of the season.

Bit OTT there don't tou think since its only our 3rd game of the season. No idea why Allardyce even bothered asking for patience as he's not going to get it.

If anyone's likely to complain it'll be Mido tbh. I was sat just a few seats away from an Asian lad who didn't know what do to with himself when the terrorist chants were aimed at Mido. The chants, after all, were purely down to the colour of his skin. Unless of course I've somehow missed the story about Mido being investigated by the police for making homemade roadside incenduary devices? To be fair, i would say it's down to where he's from rather than the colour of his skin. He's not just a Brit with middle eastern appearance, he is from a country known to be a terrorist hotspot, a country which the home office warn you about visiting. I'm totally against racism, but i did not think that was bad - not that i was singing it. There were a fair few singing that, but 'Mido is a paedo' was much louder. I actually thought that was quite funny, and he must realise it was just because it rhymes. I hate the 'packet of sweets...whoever is an Fing paedophile songs' etc., but i thought 'mido is a paedo' was much more light hearted and really didnt even expect him to be bothered by it. It happened alot more because of his reaction too. Erm, the 'hotspot' you describe has been through more bombings FROM terrorists than exporting terrorists, and they're not one of the hotspots Bush and Blair have had in mind when it comes to terrorism. So yes, the chants were ignorant, and yes, they WERE that bad, regardless if he was from Iraq, Iran or Guantanamo Bay (well, now that might be a bit more interesting). I don't think they were racist though. And they weren't really that ignorant, egypt has had a terrorism problem recently. Of course that doesn't make mido a terrorist by any means, but he is from a terrorism hotspot. The stereotype has grounds, and it's not racial. I wouldnt say it's really any worse than the sheep 'cuddler' thing directed at the welsh. I didnt join in with it, but i dont think it's anything to get upset about. I think the paedophile chants are worse, and i'd have been strongly against the mido ones if it wasnt for the rhyming. Some of the biggest crap ever written on this forum. Well done.

I can't see what people are on about in regards to N'Zogbia. Thought he was distinctly sub-par except for the goal.

I didn't think it worked out for him today but I can't believe you are shocked about people knocking James "Scapegoat" Milner. I'm just not sure what the lad has to do to endear himself to a number of fans who seems have written him off as a clogger with no skill despite all fucking evidence to contrary.

Really? I haven't read the rest of the thread but it's unbelievable that he's being knocked as I thought he was one of our best players! Other thoughts on the day - Harper really pisses me off the way he takes forever to take goal kicks and release the ball generally. We should have been going all out to get 3 points near the end and he's playing for a point. Far too negative. The ref was a cock - stopped the game every time a Boro player went down and yet played on when 2 Newcastle players went down with head injuries - Rozzy in the 1st half and Zoggy in the 2nd half. Also, I was convinced at the time and am still convinced having watched it back that we should have had a free kick for a deliberate back pass by Downing in the 2nd half. Mido - can't really blame him for his goal celebration tbh - I'd challenge anyone not to react when he's had to listen to: "Mido is a paedo", "Mido is a terrorist", "Mido, he's got a bomb you know" and "He's going to blow in a minute". Get ready for the racism accusations! I thought we defended too deep at times which allowed Boro back into the game and we failed to close them down when they had the ball around our area - Nicky Butt was the only one trying to close down at times. Free kicks - need a lot of work! We played some very poor central kicks straight into the arms of their keeper when it was crying out for someone to make a run into a wide area to receive it. Cacapa - very impressed. Read the game well and put in a couple of great challenges. Overall - we need width. At times when Boro were on top we were chasing shadows and the midfield was being pulled all over the place. Zoggy showed that he's great going forward but very dodgy defensively. When Enrique comes in I'd like to see Zoggy go to left wing with Milner on the right which I feel would give us better attacking options whilst still having a solid midfield. Pretty much agree with all that. Of the 3 CMs, though Butt was easily the best and Smith almost totally invisible for much of the game (when they weren't getting in each other's way). Geremi not much better, either, tbh. Viduka no way near fit, although he had a tough game and didn't get much protection. Liked the look of Cacapa, looks like he has a very cool head and good reading of the game.

I thought he was one of our best players,pity every time he skipped by someone he got hacked down! He got kicked all over the pitch for 90 minutes for the team. His end product was lacking a little but he had to do virtually everything himself.

Can't believe people are knocking Milner's performance today. Unbelievable.

There are usually apostrophes in 'there's', 'it's' and 'that's'. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Right! You are also on the list.