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I had high hopes for Mbemba, and I like Mitrovic. But I won't think twice about either of them if Benitez thinks they aren't good enough. I mean its not like either of them are amazing.. They could both be decent to good players in a system that fitted them or if they could take instruction well enough to fit into our system, that's about it.

Well at least I could move on and forget about NUFC then.

But how would that work? That's £100 per shirt (or 100 Euro's if they're saying 52m Euro's), even if the shirts and name printing brought in that kind of money Juventus certainly wouldn't get all of it, more likely a small fraction.

Hate this point. He clearly dosnt want Mitrovic but I also think it’s pretty clear Rondon wouldn’t be near this club either if Rafa was able to get anywhere near his top targets. The reason it’s so underwhelming is that is bargain bin buys loans again. Rafa didn’t want Mitrovic last season and we got Joselu Exactly don’t see why people are struggling with this. There is a reason Rafa has not signed a new contract and this type of signing fully illustrates the reason why he won’t either and will be gone in under 12 months. None of this still changes my original point that if Rafa prefers Rondon over Mitrovic then I'm happy to trust his judgement. Not sure what's hard to grasp about that. Do you not understand NEITHER would be his choice that is the whole point and the reason he won’t be here next year. You’re right it’s not hard to understand a all Rondon is almost certainly not his first choice, but Mitrovic is simply a player he just doesn't want full stop. We also have no idea how far down the list Rondon is and how happy Rafa is about the potential signing. I mean we haven't signed him at all yet so its a bit premature to say that this potential signing is one of the reasons he hasn't signed a new contract.

Still a lot better than last seasons strike force of Gayle and Joselu, at least there'd be one decent Premier League striker in there.

Only sort of makes sense if they're refusing to take the fee in installments, but even then if we're so desperate for cash surely we could borrow £16.5m at less than £2.5m interest (not that we should need to).

His hand goes to the ball, pen.

Why does that complicate anything? If they're willing to sell him now for £30m (inevitably paid over 5-6 years anyway) then what's the difference between that and us paying £5m loan fee now with option to buy at £25m at the end of the season? Might be worth more than £30m at the end of the season Aye but they're perfectly happy to sell now for £30m apparently. If they just weren't willing to sell now and only willing to loan in the hope of his price rising I could understand it, but not in this case. Sounds more like we've just made no effort to get a future fee agreed.

Basically only means that a club can't come in and start negotiating with Chelsea and the first we hear about it is well into discussions. They have to give us the chance right from the start to give them a offer they can accept before any other club gets involved in discussions. For a normal club that actually competes its useful as you can't get blind sighted and get in late when the player might have already decided to go somewhere else. But for us I really can't see how its even relevant, it would only work in situations where we can cast some sort of voodoo on the lad to make him only want to sign for us, otherwise we'll just get outbid anyway.

Why does that complicate anything? If they're willing to sell him now for £30m (inevitably paid over 5-6 years anyway) then what's the difference between that and us paying £5m loan fee now with option to buy at £25m at the end of the season?

I think usually its just a case of the amount being specified, with agreement on how its paid having to be made between the clubs (unless full amount is offered of course). But I suppose anything can be put in a contract, would seem unreasonable to allow him to specify how the club is paid his release fee though.

We can definitely demand all the cash up front or no deal.

Who have Wolves actually signed?

How good do you think Ritchie is that a player can be a waste of space by comparison but still have done well for us? Anyway, no I wouldn't bother selling a useful squad player for £7-£8m, what's the point? EDIT: Ah ok, you mean Ritchie did well for us. He was excellent in the Championship, but needs upgrading in this league. Also apparently he isn't happy to just be a squad player, so if we can sell for £17-£18m and upgrade for £20m or so I'd do it. Keep the likes of Atsu as a willing squad player.

Hope we've at least demanded all the cash up front, no reason why we wouldn't I suppose.

Jesus - 80 big ones a week! Stoke will have to go up next season! We paid Shelvy that so that is their gamble We were a Premier League team then! Also Stokes revenue outside of TV money is about half ours so the drop in Premier League money is going to hit them far harder.

You're crap!!

Its not about one man who can create something though, that's why we've failed in the past, individuals that can create but can't work together. The problem in this match wasn't lack of creativity. In recent matches we've played good Football, passed the opposition to death, waited for our moment and then played decisive passes that have lead to lots of chances and goals. Even today we played better Football then I can remember us playing in any of our past knockout games Colombia tried to stop us by dragging us into the dirt and making us rush things, not sure I've ever seen a more dirty cheating bunch of cunts to be honest... But luckily we managed to show enough strength of character to win on pens for once Thing is normally we'd be talking about how Colombia should have had a player sent off, shouldn't have been able to bully the ref blah blah blah. But instead none of that matters, instead we can talk about the quarter finals and forget about Colombia.. You might say its fine margins, but it often is, and the fact is we're in the quarter finals

To be fair if your mind set as a Footballer is to put a low release clause in every contract. So you can make a easy escape if things don't work out, then you've got the wrong mentality to succeed. At the end of the day I trust the manager.

. Nah you do like. Apparently it's a red now just to put your hand into a players face, or push your head into another players head. But running up and hitting someone in the face with your forearm isn't even a yellow in your opinion? The f***er seems to be fooling some people because he does it so casually, he's a good actor like, but the fact is he still runs up and puts his forearm into his face. You can even see the Iranians cheeks shake with the impact.

It's ok the just run up to someone and whack your forearm into his face aye?

It was around £9m total as far as I remember.

Why does it?

That chance Sweden had just before the goal, just had to cross it instead of shooting.

Aye, think Neville agreed as well, mental imo.