Rebellious

Whats the kick off time anyone? I`m debating weather or not to take the kids to the beach after work or not.

I thought the debt was the mortgage on the stadium ?

Its a occupational hazard. Being a footballer means much more than kicking a ball about, something Dyer in ten years here hasn't learned, well maybe he did, just took him years to figure it out. I'm sure for the millions he's earned for nothing i'd take a few eggs But it wouldn't happen to me, as fans would never have a problem with me, i'd respect the club paying my £80kpw far too much to fuk them about. End of the day, his past has caught up with him SLIGHTLY, and if that's all that ever happens to him he's got off lightly. I'm not condoning any of it, but can understand why someone would want to abuse him before he left. I have to agree, while not condoning what happened and agreeing with Mort in a way that this is not the right type of image we want when trying to lure players here, we also have to take a step back and be a bit sensible about this. Ok his house got pelted with some eggs - it shouldn't have happened, but no one was killed, maimed, decapitated, caught the plague ect. Some people have very short memories when it comes to Dyer, not so long ago he was dragging our clubs name through the dirt with his handbags crap with Bowyer. Everyone wanted to lynch Bowyer, but Dyer seems to have been conveniently forgiven. What about his part in Bobby Robsons departure, yes the details are open to debate but he definitely didn't help matters. Plus there's all his off field shanahans, like getting his cock out, burning money in front of fans' faces, home movie debut ect. Like it has been said before, if this is SO distressing for poor old Dyer, why hasn't he handed in a TRANSFER REQUEST? Why? because it's got fuk all to do about his family, it's all about him and his agent getting one last big payday. To think of all the money that the club's spent on sending him all around the world getting the best doctors to try and sort out his career (not to mention his 60k-80k a WEEK wages). Think of all the games (about 90%) he's played when he looks like he doesn't give a s*** (apart form sunday when he was in the shop window, funny that isn't it?), and what does he do when it at last looks like he might be clear of his injuries? He want's out. And to think of all the people who were calling for Owen to be sold and criticising him for the amount of games he's played for us. At least when he's played he's done the business for us. Ramage get's slated everytime he plays, fair enough he's not good enough but at least he's honest and tries. Dyer HAS the talent, but just uses it when he feels like it and that is worse than any of the others. I do think that out squad is dangerously thin and I thought that we should keep dyer to make up the numbers, but the more I think about it I would rather have Harper playing than him (ok, slight eggageration). Seriously though this parasite has bled us dry for 8 years and I think now, enough is enough. Bye, bye. Dyer is about as responsible for the incident with Bowyer as he is for having some cretins chuck eggs at his house tbh. What the f*** are "off field shanahans" btw? People have wanted him out of the club FOR YEARS. Now he finally acquiesces and admits he wants to leave and we get "Eh? But what about all the money we've spend on medical fees, you ungrateful b******?" He can't f****** win. As for Dyer's performances, I think it's pretty clear that for the vast majority of his time here he's been playing injured. Even when he was brought back into the team, he was never fully fit. It's only last season that we finally had him at a decent level of fitness for a prolonged period, but by then the damage was done and people have made their mind up to despise him. And he's been nowhere near as bad as people try to make out when he has played. Not even close. I think it's a shame he's leaving because he can be a good player for us, but I totally understand him wanting to go. Especially in light of recent incidents and the fact that he must know that trying to win the fans back over is a pointless exercise. Aye, sorry, it's all the fans' fault. Saint Dyer's so hard done to. Ungrateful? For what? For the money spent on medical fees? I was playing the part of the idiots who, having wanted the bloke to leave the club for years, are now slating him for finally succumbing to the pressure and wanting to go himself. As for "Saint Dyer", he's done a LOT less than people make out. A couple of regrettable incidents that I'm sure he wished he hadn't been involved in, and then being a long term injury sufferer. Oh and he got well paid, big deal, he's a professional footballer Ask yourself this though - if he HADN'T been injured as often as he has, if we'd got 40 games a season out of him over all these years, would people still despise him like they do for an incident with the captain's armband, and for having a piss in the street? I bet they f****** wouldn't, which just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. In the main he's despised for having been injured. The other incidents are nothing in the grand scheme of things. So would you also say that Owen should have left as soon as he recovered from his injury or were you one of the people who thought he should show us some loyalty, because by your account Dyer has never been fully fit, so surely he should show us some loyalty too? Nope, I said at the time that Owen was perfectly entitled to leave if he wanted to. In fact, in the immediate aftermath of last season I said that if I was him I'd be telling my agent that his holidays were cancelled as he was going to be working his arse off finding me a way out of the shambles that is NUFC. Which slightly messes up your point. Not really, fair enough you don't think loyalty should be part of a footballers character, I however think it should. I thought Owen should show us some loyalty, and I thought Dyer should as well. But as soon as he's fully fit he want's out. Fair enough that's his decision, I don't personally agree with it. Do you not think he knows that most of the fans want "the dirty skank/f****** w******/little arsehole/etc etc" out though? Do you think that might have some bearing on his decision? He gets booed by his own fans, and you then expect him to show them loyalty? How much loyalty would you feel like showing under those circumstances? I'm not painting him as the victim in all this btw, but it's preposterous to suggest that he should show loyalty to a crowd that (in some cases, literally) is baying for his blood. Yeh but mate, what came first? Dyers inept displays? or the crowd getting on his back? I've never know the crowd to boo a player unless they feel he's not giving everything he can. And you can't say for one minute that Dyer has giving 100% in all the games he played for us can you? I think he has given what he can give on the day depending on his level of dis-comfort. He has had a problem since we bought him from Ipswich. One that doesn`t heal. Its called shin splints. Shin splints can be a like a disease for many athletes, getting worse and worse until it eventually kills their training and competition aspirations. Fortunately though, there are a number of exercises designed specifically to help strengthen the specific area to help reduce the risk of shin splints. The amount of injury that occurs prior to any rehabilitation program plays a significant role in determining the time frame necessary for complete recovery A level and soft terrain is best. Distance is limited to 50% of that tolerated preinjury. Intensity (pace) is similarly cut by one half. Over a 3-6 week period, a gradual increase in distance is allowed. Only then can a gradual increase in pace be attempted. Previously, two different treatment management strategies were used: total rest or a "run through it" approach. The total rest was often an unacceptable option to the athlete. The "run through it" approach was even worse. It often led to worsening of the injury and of the symptoms. Currently, a multifaceted approach of "relative rest" is successfully utilized to restore the athlete to a pain-free level of competition. During his last injury he spent a lot of time at Playford Road. Know a few lads there and apparently he was working at it. Maybe he was making things worse? I`m not sure 100% if Shin splints ever heal or not or if it is condition that stays with you. Someone I spoke too who knows him very well said that he still has to have constant theorapy/treatment in order to play a few games then miss 1 or 2 for treatment. So he has never ever been 100% but plays to what he can which lets face it from the games before GR scape goated his friends after AZ has been better than most in the team. I can`t claim to know 100% but its obvious to see he has to hold back in games compared to how he used to play to prevent injury. Some people see that as not putting the effort in.

Its a occupational hazard. Being a footballer means much more than kicking a ball about, something Dyer in ten years here hasn't learned, well maybe he did, just took him years to figure it out. I'm sure for the millions he's earned for nothing i'd take a few eggs But it wouldn't happen to me, as fans would never have a problem with me, i'd respect the club paying my £80kpw far too much to fuk them about. End of the day, his past has caught up with him SLIGHTLY, and if that's all that ever happens to him he's got off lightly. I'm not condoning any of it, but can understand why someone would want to abuse him before he left. I have to agree, while not condoning what happened and agreeing with Mort in a way that this is not the right type of image we want when trying to lure players here, we also have to take a step back and be a bit sensible about this. Ok his house got pelted with some eggs - it shouldn't have happened, but no one was killed, maimed, decapitated, caught the plague ect. Some people have very short memories when it comes to Dyer, not so long ago he was dragging our clubs name through the dirt with his handbags crap with Bowyer. Everyone wanted to lynch Bowyer, but Dyer seems to have been conveniently forgiven. What about his part in Bobby Robsons departure, yes the details are open to debate but he definitely didn't help matters. Plus there's all his off field shanahans, like getting his cock out, burning money in front of fans' faces, home movie debut ect. Like it has been said before, if this is SO distressing for poor old Dyer, why hasn't he handed in a TRANSFER REQUEST? Why? because it's got fuk all to do about his family, it's all about him and his agent getting one last big payday. To think of all the money that the club's spent on sending him all around the world getting the best doctors to try and sort out his career (not to mention his 60k-80k a WEEK wages). Think of all the games (about 90%) he's played when he looks like he doesn't give a s*** (apart form sunday when he was in the shop window, funny that isn't it?), and what does he do when it at last looks like he might be clear of his injuries? He want's out. And to think of all the people who were calling for Owen to be sold and criticising him for the amount of games he's played for us. At least when he's played he's done the business for us. Ramage get's slated everytime he plays, fair enough he's not good enough but at least he's honest and tries. Dyer HAS the talent, but just uses it when he feels like it and that is worse than any of the others. I do think that out squad is dangerously thin and I thought that we should keep dyer to make up the numbers, but the more I think about it I would rather have Harper playing than him (ok, slight eggageration). Seriously though this parasite has bled us dry for 8 years and I think now, enough is enough. Bye, bye. Dyer is about as responsible for the incident with Bowyer as he is for having some cretins chuck eggs at his house tbh. What the f*** are "off field shanahans" btw? People have wanted him out of the club FOR YEARS. Now he finally acquiesces and admits he wants to leave and we get "Eh? But what about all the money we've spend on medical fees, you ungrateful b******?" He can't f****** win. As for Dyer's performances, I think it's pretty clear that for the vast majority of his time here he's been playing injured. Even when he was brought back into the team, he was never fully fit. It's only last season that we finally had him at a decent level of fitness for a prolonged period, but by then the damage was done and people have made their mind up to despise him. And he's been nowhere near as bad as people try to make out when he has played. Not even close. I think it's a shame he's leaving because he can be a good player for us, but I totally understand him wanting to go. Especially in light of recent incidents and the fact that he must know that trying to win the fans back over is a pointless exercise. Aye, sorry, it's all the fans' fault. Saint Dyer's so hard done to. Ungrateful? For what? For the money spent on medical fees? I was playing the part of the idiots who, having wanted the bloke to leave the club for years, are now slating him for finally succumbing to the pressure and wanting to go himself. As for "Saint Dyer", he's done a LOT less than people make out. A couple of regrettable incidents that I'm sure he wished he hadn't been involved in, and then being a long term injury sufferer. Oh and he got well paid, big deal, he's a professional footballer Ask yourself this though - if he HADN'T been injured as often as he has, if we'd got 40 games a season out of him over all these years, would people still despise him like they do for an incident with the captain's armband, and for having a piss in the street? I bet they f****** wouldn't, which just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. In the main he's despised for having been injured. The other incidents are nothing in the grand scheme of things. So would you also say that Owen should have left as soon as he recovered from his injury or were you one of the people who thought he should show us some loyalty, because by your account Dyer has never been fully fit, so surely he should show us some loyalty too? Nope, I said at the time that Owen was perfectly entitled to leave if he wanted to. In fact, in the immediate aftermath of last season I said that if I was him I'd be telling my agent that his holidays were cancelled as he was going to be working his arse off finding me a way out of the shambles that is NUFC. Which slightly messes up your point. Not really, fair enough you don't think loyalty should be part of a footballers character, I however think it should. I thought Owen should show us some loyalty, and I thought Dyer should as well. But as soon as he's fully fit he want's out. Fair enough that's his decision, I don't personally agree with it. Do you not think he knows that most of the fans want "the dirty skank/f****** w******/little arsehole/etc etc" out though? Do you think that might have some bearing on his decision? He gets booed by his own fans, and you then expect him to show them loyalty? How much loyalty would you feel like showing under those circumstances? I'm not painting him as the victim in all this btw, but it's preposterous to suggest that he should show loyalty to a crowd that (in some cases, literally) is baying for his blood. Yeh but mate, what came first? Dyers inept displays? or the crowd getting on his back? I've never know the crowd to boo a player unless they feel he's not giving everything he can. And you can't say for one minute that Dyer has giving 100% in all the games he played for us can you? I think he has given what he can give on the day depending on his level of dis-comfort. He has had a problem since we bought him from Ipswich. One that doesn`t heal. Its called shin splints. Shin splints can be a like a disease for many athletes, getting worse and worse until it eventually kills their training and competition aspirations. Fortunately though, there are a number of exercises designed specifically to help strengthen the specific area to help reduce the risk of shin splints. The amount of injury that occurs prior to any rehabilitation program plays a significant role in determining the time frame necessary for complete recovery A level and soft terrain is best. Distance is limited to 50% of that tolerated preinjury. Intensity (pace) is similarly cut by one half. Over a 3-6 week period, a gradual increase in distance is allowed. Only then can a gradual increase in pace be attempted. Previously, two different treatment management strategies were used: total rest or a "run through it" approach. The total rest was often an unacceptable option to the athlete. The "run through it" approach was even worse. It often led to worsening of the injury and of the symptoms. Currently, a multifaceted approach of "relative rest" is successfully utilized to restore the athlete to a pain-free level of competition.

I can't. I think you have to be of a certain mentality to want to actually physically attack someone's property because you're a bit annoyed with them. Especially when they've done nothing to you personally. I agree with Gemmil there are some stupid mongs on here. The egg on the door thing has happened to me, I just wished they knocked on my door and asked for a fight instead, it was the cowardice that pissed me off. The car thing and the mindless booing and the pretending he was ill on purpose to suit peoples hate/jealousy agenda has pissed me off. Like he really wanted to ruin his England career and a chance of a move to a big club just to get paid for sitting on his arse. er ok . The family reasons, now theres a fucking joke people saying he is making it up for a few ££ when the truth is he couldn`t give a fuck about money clearly by burning £50 notes on several occassions. You have to be ONE THICK TWAT to say he is making it up when in the papers on more than one occassion it reports that his sister is taking and dealing herion for fuck sake. So what he is a complete dickhead but some of the shite people are typing.

I guessed you used that , sorry to come across like a cunt above but yeah those websites don`t take in account a lead foot and a fast car.

The part of Ipswich Dyer was brought up in makes Benwell look posh, so while this incident causes embarrassment to our region through the press reports, I reckon he should be able to cope with it. Dyer went to Westbourne High School. Its not bad around there but not somewhere you would take polite company to dinner. Benwell (where my Dads family were raised before all escaping) isn't bad in places either but its better than the West side of Ipswich where he went. The real dodgy areas were around the East - Titus went to Holywells and that gives anything in Benwell a run for its money. Haha whats your take on Chantry ? Westbourne is tame tbh. I got my only ever kicking outside Holywells school, the scummy bastards. I just moved to Brazierswood, the posh bit that shares a post code with Holywells, fucking car insurance went through the roof.

Nice thought. Craig Bellamys medal count in the English league at present is zero though. Whats that got to do with guts and determination ? Think about why we are all having trouble suggesting a club captain. Its because no c*** in our team last year had any spine. It is the win bit I was pointing out. Bellamy is never going to be captain material and I have no idea what you are harping on about that for. Neither is Smith but he's nearer than CB. Will to win doesnt mean winner. There are lots of other factors that go into it. Like a brain, teamwork on and off the pitch etc. See Bellamys 'performance' at Wolves in the cup for that determination. He was more concerned with showing their fans his pay cheque than winning a game we had a chance in. Not denying Bellamy tries hard usually but he isnt what this club needs. Spine doesnt mean captain material either. Helps but it isnt the only factor. Agree we do need grafters, just prefer grafters with a bit of talent and the other factors I mentioned earlier. Nb: If CB was here he would have my support. He isnt and tbh I am not upset by it. Others currently at the club come into that category. We replaced Bellamy with better. If we do the same with Dyer then thats fine too. It becomes a problem when we don't and the numbskulls don't consider that he just might be here next season. Smith certainly isnt a like for like. I think you have misunderstood me. I couldn`t give a flying f*** about Bellamy tbh, I was just comparing their likeness in a determination to win. We had and still have too many players whos heads drop the second things go tits up. Smith is not that type of player. I think he would be very handy for tough away games. Unlike alot of our players he won`t get forced off the ball by a mere breeze. I agree he'll give us that. Roy Keane commented on that about him when he reverted to his position in midfield. My point is that we need a bit of both. Smiths mentaility with Dyer or Bellamys pace and we couldnt afford him. But we do need something like the pace either of those two offered. I'm not against Smith at all. Think he would be a decent addition. Just think we need him and more besides. True we do need more than him but as said by most managers there are less quality players out there avalible nowadays and plenty of clubs have cash to spend on the few that are.

You couldn`t be more wrong.

Plenty of players live well away from their place of work. Viduka wants to stay in North Yorkshire. Where does he play? Alan Brazil seems to manage on Talksport! True, but, Ispwich would take about 1hr 45mins to West Ham assuming fair traffic. Not sure whether that may be too far away for a commute. Mark Viduka lives in Harrogate which is about the same (maybe 20 mins less), maybe you're right!! Personally if Dyer goes (or should I say when) I wish him well, even though he has been a little shit at times up here!! I could walk from West ham to Ipswich in the time you have put. What the hell do you drive mate???? 1hr 45mins mackems.gif Honestly it takes about 1hr 15 during the day or about an 1 hour on a weekend.

Nice thought. Craig Bellamys medal count in the English league at present is zero though. Whats that got to do with guts and determination ? Think about why we are all having trouble suggesting a club captain. Its because no c*** in our team last year had any spine. It is the win bit I was pointing out. Bellamy is never going to be captain material and I have no idea what you are harping on about that for. Neither is Smith but he's nearer than CB. Will to win doesnt mean winner. There are lots of other factors that go into it. Like a brain, teamwork on and off the pitch etc. See Bellamys 'performance' at Wolves in the cup for that determination. He was more concerned with showing their fans his pay cheque than winning a game we had a chance in. Not denying Bellamy tries hard usually but he isnt what this club needs. Spine doesnt mean captain material either. Helps but it isnt the only factor. Agree we do need grafters, just prefer grafters with a bit of talent and the other factors I mentioned earlier. Nb: If CB was here he would have my support. He isnt and tbh I am not upset by it. Others currently at the club come into that category. We replaced Bellamy with better. If we do the same with Dyer then thats fine too. It becomes a problem when we don't and the numbskulls don't consider that he just might be here next season. Smith certainly isnt a like for like. I think you have misunderstood me. I couldn`t give a flying fuck about Bellamy tbh, I was just comparing their likeness in a determination to win. We had and still have too many players whos heads drop the second things go tits up. Smith is not that type of player. I think he would be very handy for tough away games. Unlike alot of our players he won`t get forced off the ball by a mere breeze.

especially not a medicore, injury prone, diseased little skank. Admit it it was you wasn`t it

Nice thought. Craig Bellamys medal count in the English league at present is zero though. Whats that got to do with guts and determination ? Think about why we are all having trouble suggesting a club captain. Its because no cunt in our team last year had any spine.

As far as I`m aware all the international players ( Owen importantly ) get on with Dyer really well. Good job you lot. Keep up the shit work in attracting players and helping to keep players who are unsure about staying here.

Good news imo. At last a player with guts and a similar determination to win as Bellamy.

Speechless....Must call my Arsenal supporting friends.

I think he has more assists on the left wing. I remember on the right wing he constantly attempts to skin defenders and fails 90% of the time. The same as Zoggy on the wing, tries and fails. Too much enthusiasm and not enough skill yet.

Tottenham to Ipswich is ~80 miles. Newcastle to Ipswich is ~280 miles. Obviously London is closer to Suffolk than Newcastle, that's not what I meant specifically. He still wouldn't be there every night etc would he? Therefore he may as well be in Australia because it is not "home". I've no idea what the 'family reasons' are mate, I was just making the point that whatever they may be, being 200 miles closer to home is likely to be a major plus. Tottenham to Ipswich is ~80 miles. Newcastle to Ipswich is ~280 miles. Obviously London is closer to Suffolk than Newcastle, that's not what I meant specifically. He still wouldn't be there every night etc would he? Therefore he may as well be in Australia because it is not "home". He clearly believes that he is too good to be at Newcastle, one of the very few players who have not recognised the fact that the club is changing for the better and moving forward. Truth, he is bloody lucky to have been with us for as long as he has been. He has milked his salary for years and while we stood by him through the mystery illness / recurrent hamstring he has stood laughing all the way to the bank!! It takes about 1 hour as opposed to 4 hours to travel. Most of Ipswich commutes to London for work so its easy to travel everyday. I reckon if it is for family reasons he may move his sister down away from the bad influences around here. Maybe he has family in London. Maybe she is definatly going to prison or rehab down south. Maybe thats where his misses who he has kids with doesn`t want to move to Newcastle. Who knows.

As long as Owen, Martins, Viduka,Milner,Given and Barton stay clear of long term injuries I think we can finish in the top 7. If we lose 1 or more of them long term we are in trouble again as it stands.

As did Martins all night and all last season. Quite a few of our players dwell on the ball too much waiting for someone to actually get into some space. Luque is the type of player that will always be in the right place for the right pass and finish which he has proven not just last night. He has not fucking proven that whilst at Newcastle! 13 starts 5 goals isn`t bad. I havn`t seen him miss too many sitters compared to alot of players. I think he is more of a finisher than a type of player that goes to find the ball, tackle, run past 5 players and put it in the top corner.

As did Martins all night and all last season. Quite a few of our players dwell on the ball too much waiting for someone to actually get into some space. Luque is the type of player that will always be in the right place for the right pass and finish which he has proven not just last night.

Didn`t he get a really serverly torn hamstring. I`m sure I read it couldn`t have been any worse.

I said all this would happen at the end of last season. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=39934.25 don't be daft. You missed Dyer off the list. He approached Spurs himself knowing Jenas and Bent will be there. Only problem being the wages, but i`m sure he has made enough money to take the pay cut considering how much he wants to play for them. As for reasons, family problems means his sister and the whole drugs thing. In with the wrong crowd big time. He has treatment for his illness down south regulary which is on going. Also all his friends have left NUFC he`s the last to go.

Ipswich have been after him for a few months.