Andy

Is that at the irony? what irony ? Says the person who thinks 15th is successful in the 1970's and qualifying regularly for europe is failure in the current decade The person who thinks 15th is successful in the 1970s and qualifying regularly for europe is failure in the current decade says "what irony?" That's almost written in the fourth person, depending on interpretation. Impressive.

NO NO NO NO NO Johnson is one of the few fullbacks in the league who astonishingly manages to fail to meet even our criteria for that position. I agree with Wullie; signing him would be unbelievably stupid.

Yeah, don't forget the £3,000,000 p/year wages that he earns by default for being a greedy good-for-nothing foreign mercenary.

I have to agree with the OP. I just can't believe we haven't won a cup yet this season after I paid FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS for a season ticket. Frankly I'm enraged and/or irate. This whole season has basically just descended into an absolute shambles -- a mess of the highest order. The fact that we've only managed three goals and one clean sheet for all the summer spending is a disgrace. And don't even get me started on the fact that sunderland have the same points tally as us. I'm fuming. Literally seething. I just can't control my emotions any longer. I'm FINISHED with this club and I'm FINISHED with this sport. *storms out of thread*

As for the Fletcher story... No thanks. I think I reflect the general consensus when I say that we have enough of his type of player and we simply don't need him. Thankfully I'm fairly confident that Big Sam would agree. Hopefully... Really can't see there being any life in this one either way. Same for Luccin. I rate him slightly higher than Fletcher, but he's not what we need either.

to and and going myself when . PS. You're talking a complete and utter, absolutely unparalleled, heap of exceptionally gigantic horse bollocks. Well done.

That's what it looks like... But it's really a lethal robot that transforms into a MiG fighter jet via a plethora of utterly unnecessary animations that add little or nothing to the viewing experience whatsoever. Okay, I'll stop now.

Have games be refereed by a swat team of highly-trained robots who can detect physical contact from anywhere on the pitch. When a player dives, the referee transforms into a futuristic, yet completely and utterly over-the-top CGI tank and unleashes a lethal nuclear missile salvo in his direction. If the player somehow survives the attack, a random car chase ensues, followed by a massively confusing battle between the player and all of the robots that seemingly has little or no relevance to the plot-- I mean MATCH; little or no relevence to the MATCH. Yes. I think I'll submit this to the FA. It's probably a shit idea like, but millions of people will pay to watch it based on the CGI alone anyway, so I don't care.

Bang on. Every last word. There's nothing that annoys me more than a player being labeled "not good enough" after only his second game for the club. It's even more annoying when his performance is no better or worse than most of the other players on the pitch. How are players supposed to succeed when they're being written off before they've had a chance to prove themselves? That's the NUFC way unfortunately. If they're not an instant success then they're fucking shite and one or two bad performances away from getting booed. I think I'd forgotten how much some of the people in SJP contributed to my disillusionment with NUFC last season. Don't get me wrong, it was predominantly Roeder/Shepherd/the lack of direction at the club, but there's more than enough clueless fuckers in the ground that can send you away in a more depressed state of mind than any sub-standard performance could. Again, this is bang on, and pretty much reflects my outlook for much of the past two or three years.

Bang on. Every last word. There's nothing that annoys me more than a player being labeled "not good enough" after only his second game for the club. It's even more annoying when his performance is no better or worse than most of the other players on the pitch. How are players supposed to succeed when they're being written off before they've had a chance to prove themselves? We've been linked with Smith for several years. We know what he has to offer, he isn't Enrique. It's not the point. As soon as he signs for us, he should be given a chance to prove himself for us. In amoungst our players. His performances for Man Utd and Leeds are absolutely irrlevant to how he will perform up here, and if that's what people are judging him on he really doesn't stand a chance.

Bang on. Every last word. There's nothing that annoys me more than a player being labeled "not good enough" after only his second game for the club. It's even more annoying when his performance is no better or worse than most of the other players on the pitch. How are players supposed to succeed when they're being written off before they've had a chance to prove themselves?

Haha, of course he is. Well, he's about on par in terms of tackling and reading of the game etc. But he actually has pace. And a bit of ability. And a brain. Three things that Carr lacks drastically.

I thought we were poor today, but that was as much down to a very efficient Villa side as it was our own lack of ability. It's true that we need more creativity, but it's also true that creativity is obviously going to be stifled when (a) you're up against an excellent defence, and (b) you have a lot of new players who need time to gel together and accommodate themselves into a new system. There's possitives to be taken from the match - we defended very well and kept a cleansheet, and we looked more solid as a unit than we have done in years. And the negatives are not so drastic that they can't be sorted with a bit of time, a few tweaks here and there, and a new player or two. This isn't as bad a result, or even performance, as some are knee-jerking it to be.

Lads can we calm down, stop insulting each other and stick to discussion of the match please?

Now that's very true. And inevitable, unfortunately.

Better than Carr...

Jesus wept, I'm not "annoyed" with anyone. You're missing my point altogether. I merely stated that Owen could have prevented all of this by, when he was ACTUALLY BEING LINKED WITH A MOVE AWAY (which was long, long before July 11th), coming out and putting an end to it there and then with a simple statement either commiting himself, or the opposite. But he chose not to until much, much later, and that's why some fans have reacted badly towards him. Eh? Of course I had. That thread is basically one of the things I'm reffering to. If you read through it, you'll see that in the eyes of many it came too late. Which is exactly the point I'm making :-/

Have to agree with you on this like, Chris. That's one thing that really does grate on me about the Owen scenario - rather than all this club vs country bollocks. He could have put an end to all of this drivel by coming out and fully commiting to us ages ago. The fact that he chose not to is... interesting, but still not necessarily indicative of a lack of commitment or desire to play for us. So your opinion is that anytime some f**kface writes or speculate something about some NUFC player, he should step out and say that this story is bullshit and that story is bullshit? Erm... Nope, I didn't say that. My opinion is that if he'd came out EARLIER and given a statement one way or the other regarding his commitment to the club, it would have prevented this fan backlash. He DID come out OVER TWO MONTHS AGO ago committing himself to the club. You must have missed it. It's right here: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=42546.0. Should he have held a daily press conference reconfirming his commitment? July 11th was OVER TWO MONTHS AGO? Have I suddenly travelled into the future? Look, my point is simple. I'm not saying I don't trust Owen, nor am I saying that I give a toss either way about whether he stays, goes, commits or doesn't commit. I'm just saying that there's a clear backlash from a large percentage of fans in his direction due to the fact that, for a large portion of the last YEAR, nobody has had a clue where he stood regarding his future. Then - and to clarify, this is just how it may look to some, not how I see it personally - when apparently nobody is interested in him, he finally breaks radio silence, so to speak, and commits. All I'm saying is, that whilst he obviously HAS commited himself to the club, it's pretty obvious - based on fan consensus - that he could have done it either sooner or more clearly, and that would have prevented much of the backlash towards him. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying I don't trust him. In fact, I've posted four or five times in this thread defending him. The fact is, however, that a lot of people on here obviously don't trust him, and he could have prevented that (or at least lessened it) quite easily.

Have to agree with you on this like, Chris. That's one thing that really does grate on me about the Owen scenario - rather than all this club vs country bollocks. He could have put an end to all of this drivel by coming out and fully commiting to us ages ago. The fact that he chose not to is... interesting, but still not necessarily indicative of a lack of commitment or desire to play for us. So your opinion is that anytime some f**kface writes or speculate something about some NUFC player, he should step out and say that this story is bullshit and that story is bullshit? Erm... Nope, I didn't say that. My opinion is that if he'd came out EARLIER and given a statement one way or the other regarding his commitment to the club, it would have prevented this fan backlash.

Seriously, stop posting.

Oh... Right. If that's the case can I post some race-hate and qualify it with a safety wink? What about an illegal download site? Some hardcore porn? No? Okay then.

If someone had tried to blackmail me into saying something the way Shepherd did with Owen, I would have kept my mouth shut too. You too must be a stupid little prick, like Owen Yeah, read the forum rules re: abuse please. Or just stop posting. One of the two.

Have to agree with you on this like, Chris. That's one thing that really does grate on me about the Owen scenario - rather than all this club vs country bollocks. He could have put an end to all of this drivel by coming out and fully commiting to us ages ago. The fact that he chose not to is... interesting, but still not necessarily indicative of a lack of commitment or desire to play for us.

Amazing how many pseudo-psychologists (or should that be pseudo-psychics?) inhabit internet messageboards nowadays like. Seriously, you're basing this dross on three things - his transfer fee, his wages and - most importantly - his name. If Alan Shearer had done what Owen did, would anybody have reacted the same way? Honestly? What about Nobby, if the same situation arose with him? Shay Given? My bet is that you wouldn't have battered a fucking eyelid. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Owen is a saint. It's true that he could have done a hell of a lot more for us during his time at the club, and it's true that his injury problems are more than a little concerning. But to criticise or question his commitment because he wants to play for his country is - in short - absolute fucking drivel.