Lenny

Looked to me like he was dropped because we bought Duff to play in his place, for some reason. Then his attitude began to stink, and understandably so tbh. Well he could have got his head down and tried to make the position his by putting in a performance when he got the chance. At the end of the day he is young and if you can find a balance between giving a player a decent amount of chances without putting too much pressure on him then it will be beneficial for him and the club. The player has to have the right attitude though. By that logic Man U should have sold Ronaldo last summer, considering he wanted out. And Milner has played more than anyone this season, and he's flourished in it. So I'd say it benefits players to play more rather than 'protecting' them. Yes but Ronaldo's attitude wasnt poor for his club last season, he wanted to leave because of the goings on in the world cup, and this season he has had a good attitude. Also, although Milner is only a little older than N'Zogbia he has a heck of a lot more experience than N'Zogbia since he has had long spells in teams for Leeds, Villa and us. N'Zogbia has had one good season and seemingly thought he warrented an automatic first team place. Someone mentioned above as well, but we did need another left sider whether it was Duff or not.

Looked to me like he was dropped because we bought Duff to play in his place, for some reason. Then his attitude began to stink, and understandably so tbh. Well he could have got his head down and tried to make the position his by putting in a performance when he got the chance. At the end of the day he is young and if you can find a balance between giving a player a decent amount of chances without putting too much pressure on him then it will be beneficial for him and the club. The player has to have the right attitude though.

Good post, If SA can work his magic on Duff and get him playing well again and if Zoggy finds his form of last season i think our left side will be pretty good. Roeder always said "Zoggy is the future" but he never played him, Even when Duff was injured Roeder would play Milner there or even Emre who is fucking shit on the LW. I think SA could bring out the best in a lot of our current players just by utilising them correctly and giving them a bit of confidence. Stranger things have happened but Parker may even be told to be a defensive mid fielder next term, and Emre given a more forward role.

Some of them showed appreciation to him. I can understand why they are feeling bitter over the whole situation but at the end of the day I think they would probably be a mid to play-off position championship club now if he hadn't been there for the past 7 years.

This is the first chance Iv had to get on a PC all night, kinda sad that iv been wanting to do so all night, but thank fuck he's gone. Im not gonna read through all 28 pages of this thread but Id like to think that this means that we will be able to look forward to next season rather than expect the inevitable shit that we have almost grown acustomed to over the last few seasons.

My initial thought was that he wouldnt resign, but considering everything else he says is bullshit, I cant see why him saying "Glenn Roeder never backs down from a challenge" is likely to be true either. God I hope he does fuck off!

if roeder is still in charge by then, then I hope so!

And another written off season

awaiting comments....

I was thinking this, I wonder whether he would still go if Allardyce was to be appointed. If he could get anything that resembles a footballer out of him theres a new signing straight away!

Agree with that, especially Turkey.

Liverpool kit looks alright.

what a load of bollocks... I don't think its particularly a load of bollocks. A lot of nations football behaviour gets away with a lot more than what Englands does so I can see where people are coming from.

I really hope he does come to us, it would be nice to start a season properly for a change rather than expecting to have the season written off after 7-10 games. I don't particularly like him but I think he would sort a hell of a lot out.

wonder who that was!!! Inevitible though!

I'm not particularly a fan of Ameobi but when all three of them were on last night I thought Ameobi probably looked the better. Hardly suprising though since Owen had already played 60 minutes and Martins was isolated wide right.

It's hardly on the back of one bad performance though is it? Dyer is a f****** waste of space and has been for a long time. He's got no heart at all. Bramble has been making ridiculous mistakes for 5 or 6 years at this club and will NEVER be a good defender because of it. I was more referring to a comment earlier about Martins, but I dont agree with you about Dyer either though, I don't think he played particularly badly until he was asked to play DM when he didnt have a clue what he was doing and then was s***. He's not on blistering form but he isn't a waste of space. I don't know what other teams forum members are like and whether they are the same as on here but it seems that when a player hits a bad patch they are finished and should never play again, there is no patience. nobody's seriously calling for martin's head though? i believe that in dyer's case, he has the baggage of s*** from the past hanging on his shoulders. its almost as if he owes it to us to perform like stevie g week in week out, so fair enough. that being said, from an objective point of view, can u name me one aspect of his game which is better than average other than his pace and stamina? When he's on form I think he is very good at running at players and beating his man. He showed when he returned from injury that he can find the net as well. He is good at opening teams up, only problem with him however is where to play him. I think everyone is performing way under par under Roeder apart from maybe Milner, and we'll only see players shine when a manager comes in that knows what he is doing. I don't particularly like Allardyce but he could certainly do a lot for us and bring the best out of players such as Dyer.

please no, it'l be "we're only young" every time we lose!

It's hardly on the back of one bad performance though is it? Dyer is a f****** waste of space and has been for a long time. He's got no heart at all. Bramble has been making ridiculous mistakes for 5 or 6 years at this club and will NEVER be a good defender because of it. I was more referring to a comment earlier about Martins, but I dont agree with you about Dyer either though, I don't think he played particularly badly until he was asked to play DM when he didnt have a clue what he was doing and then was shit. He's not on blistering form but he isn't a waste of space. I don't know what other teams forum members are like and whether they are the same as on here but it seems that when a player hits a bad patch they are finished and should never play again, there is no patience.

"We've all heard the rumours in the papers lads, don't worry, I'm going nowhere" depressingly funny!

I think saying that players should never play for the club again and that players are a disgrace to the shirt on the back of a bad performance is a little extreme. Thinking about it rationally, although I still am pretty pissed off, I think that our downfall was the fact that most of the players out there didnt have a clue what they were doing as they were asked to do things that aren't natural to them, which boils down to Roeders decision making and lineup. The first major mistake was when Siberski was taken off and Ameobi was put on, it wasn't working having an AM/FC playing so he brought on a 3rd out and out striker as his replacement. Martins was moved out to the right wing, a position totally unfamiliar to him and unsurprisingly for the rest of the game was not seen. He was however not involved much all game, apart from a few knocks and headers. Roeder should have brought N'Zogbia on and moved Milner to the right, N'zogbia to the left and have Dyer and Emre in the middle, since Emre was playing the holding role anyway. The injury to Emre is what finished us off to be honest, that was when practically all of the players were playing out of position and where I think Dyer's evening turned from an average performance to a shit performance. He didnt know what he was doing in the defensive role. When Emre got injured I probably would have brought Oneyewu on for him, taken Owen (to be safe) or Martins off for N'zogbia and gone with Milner left, Solano right, Dyer and N'Zogbia in the middle with one of Bramble, Taylor or Oneyewu at full back. Overall I think what cost us the game was Roeder, his choice of lineup, his decisions of where to play players during the game and his substitutions. Admitedly the players were poor but when practically a whole team of players is playing a disjointed formation and out of position, you arent going to see much in the way of a performance from them.

1st half we were ok, second half completely disjointed, players playing out of position, not looking interested. I am one of Dyers biggest fans and defenders but that half hearted shot at the end pissed me right off. Roeder is way way out of his depth. Milner only decent player again, Dyer had an awful second half, Martins werent involved at all, though I cant blame him as he was completely starved and played out of position! Bramble..... fuck it I cant even be arsed to start on our defending.

He has sprayed the ball around well, he made one mistake!

Never seen A Oliver before, looks like a rat!

I think its a bit risky to start Owen, but I think it could scare the shite out of the Reading players if the lineup read Owen - Martins. I'm starting to get quite excited now. I wonder what reception he'll get from the Reading fans.