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? What is your question? If Moyes turned up here from Preston, got Newcastle their worst ever points tally and finished 17th, would this board not be in meltdown saying he's out of his depth and needs sacked? Personally i believe they wouldn't have give him a chance in hell to turn things around. Besides league position, you are ignoring all (every.single) factor that would determine whether or not this board would be in "meltdown". No i'm not, lowest ever points tally in the history of the club and a 17th place finish for a new young manager would certainly be getting labelled out of his depth and time to move on. Btw that wasn't the only time sections of Everton fans wanted him gone, their was other times too but the board did excellent to keep the faith in him and now he's managing the biggest club in the country. This is not me saying Pardew can be the next Moyes, i just think it's one bad season and we should be judging on this season to see if this side can bounce back, Everton and Moyes did, so can we. When they finished 17th which of their players should have been in a top 8 team? Also, what were the finances like? What was their recruitment policy? Ask Neil for that detail, all i know is regardless of that, he was 7th to 17th and our fans would have turned on him like savaged dogs because that's what we do. Pardew finished 5th and slumps to 16th and the whole city wants him crucified without even a shot of redemption. He's had half a season finished 12th, then up to 5th and now back down to 16th, ok we are at our lowest position under him but at least give him the chance to redeem himself, with the players at his disposal he can still make this work. He went from 5th to 16th which is even worse and SJP hasn't turned on him at all so you're talking complete and total bollox. With all due respect.

As will be the other 19 teams in the Prem this year. Financial peril awaits them all.

? What is your question? If Moyes turned up here from Preston, got Newcastle their worst ever points tally and finished 17th, would this board not be in meltdown saying he's out of his depth and needs sacked? Personally i believe they wouldn't have give him a chance in hell to turn things around. Besides league position, you are ignoring all (every.single) factor that would determine whether or not this board would be in "meltdown". No i'm not, lowest ever points tally in the history of the club and a 17th place finish for a new young manager would certainly be getting labelled out of his depth and time to move on. Btw that wasn't the only time sections of Everton fans wanted him gone, their was other times too but the board did excellent to keep the faith in him and now he's managing the biggest club in the country. This is not me saying Pardew can be the next Moyes, i just think it's one bad season and we should be judging on this season to see if this side can bounce back, Everton and Moyes did, so can we. When they finished 17th which of their players should have been in a top 8 team? Also, what were the finances like? What was their recruitment policy?

? What is your question? He hasn't got a f**king clue what his question is tbqph.

How could you argue that?

Yeah, they were 11th 8 years ago and 4th the year before that. Desperatley close to the edge. And the year before 4th they were 17th? So they went from 17th to 4th. I'm sure the team got a lot of stick for finishing 17th but they bounced back to show what they were capable of. My point still stands, a good team can have a bad season, we are a good team and we had a bad season, get over it. You seem to be struggling with the idea of where our club has been finishing for the last 6 years. We're not a top 6 team who had an unusually bad season last year, we're very much a lower table Prem (and table topping CC) team who had an unusually good year the one before that. Nothing wrong with optimism but when it actually means you completely ignore glaring facts it becomes idiocy.

Yeah, how uncool is he...

Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional. Never said they weren't? I said Naismith isn't a top 8 PL player. I was pointing out how Everton have had a bad year and flirted relegation then bounced back with a very good league finish, then year after fell short of expectations again but then year after bounced back up. We had a bad season last year, that doesn't mean we are a bad team, we can still bounce back this year, that's my point. If you look at our recent history, our 5th place finish was unusual. We wouldn't be 'bouncing back' to that level. What's our average league position of the last 5/6 year?

Always reckoned him a tosser myself Apparently not much love for him back in Portugal either.

Yeah, they were 11th 8 years ago and 4th the year before that. Desperatley close to the edge.

Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional.

Jay Jay Okocha is uncool/unusual? Really???

Just can't stand him!!!! Only ever gave an interview after they'd won a game and he's stand there all smug. HATEHATEHATE

Darren Fletcher. Not particularly obscure, like. Getting more obscure though

You need to reign that in tbh... They all look good enough for a side that finished 16th imo. No but you're saying the players aren't as good as i think, and i think they can finish top 8. So in your opinion which of these players do you think i'm wrong about? Who am i over estimating as a player? HBA is not a genius. Zidane, Messi, the Real Ronaldo. That's genius. HBA, much as i love him, won't hold a candle to that level of player. As for the rest, it's not about any one player. Is Naismith a top 8 player? Well, apparently he is.. However, as a collective team, and that includes the manager as he's the important single ingredient, they don't have the quality to be a consistent top 8 team. That is a team consistently competing for European places.

You need to reign that in tbh... They all look good enough for a side that finished 16th imo.

I don't disagree with much of that, our only difference of opinion seems to be on Pardew's ability to make a set of players into a team. Well he created a good dressing room atmosphere and made the players a team in the season we finished 5th so he has shown he's capable of it. He's proved when his side have got confidence and are on a good run he's capable of maintaining it. It's just when things become tough and he has a lot of questions to answer he gets found out for the s*** manager he is. I just think these players are good enough to paper over his cracks with their individual ability. Given the players haven't acheived anything near for the past 13 months i'd question your ability to make such a judgement. Being topped out on Bennies doesn't pass as a qualification to do so i might add. Fire away, question their ability, entirely your opinion to do so. I just think we have a very talented group of players that are finally all now fit and i'm hoping they knuckle down together and start getting some more points on the board. If they start to blunder their way into the relegation zone i still won't be doubting their talent, i'll be on the pardew out bandwagon. For now though, i'm all for the manager and side getting us back up the table. Seriously, wtf does that mean? 'i'm all for the side getting back up the table...' Because that's the last thing the rest of us want. You just plow your lonely furrow with that wish.... I mean i actually believe he will do that rather than just want that. A lot on here don't believe in us to do so and that we will have another poor league finish and even for some another relegation battle. So when i said i'm all for us getting back up the league, i meant i actually think we will finish high up the table. So i apologise the way i came across in that last sentence, didn't mean nobody else wants that. Oh alright....but DON'T DO IT AGAIN! Personally, i'm not sure the players are as good as you hope they are.

We don't even get to evaluate them for long ffs!

I don't think he's that highly rated, we overrate him on here because he's not Pardew. Disagree. Think he's rated on here because he set out a team from a lower division that beat us comfortably twice. One of those was against this team. If thats your yardstick i dare say we would rate virtually any manager in history. Elliot Tavernier Perch Williamson Santon Anita Abeid Bigirimana Obertan Shola Ameobi Sammy Ameobi See! Look at the quality of that development squad! And he still managed to turn us over...

Ray Wilkins. Can't stand listening to Ray Wilkins.

I don't disagree with much of that, our only difference of opinion seems to be on Pardew's ability to make a set of players into a team. Well he created a good dressing room atmosphere and made the players a team in the season we finished 5th so he has shown he's capable of it. He's proved when his side have got confidence and are on a good run he's capable of maintaining it. It's just when things become tough and he has a lot of questions to answer he gets found out for the s*** manager he is. I just think these players are good enough to paper over his cracks with their individual ability. Given the players haven't acheived anything near for the past 13 months i'd question your ability to make such a judgement. Being topped out on Bennies doesn't pass as a qualification to do so i might add. Fire away, question their ability, entirely your opinion to do so. I just think we have a very talented group of players that are finally all now fit and i'm hoping they knuckle down together and start getting some more points on the board. If they start to blunder their way into the relegation zone i still won't be doubting their talent, i'll be on the pardew out bandwagon. For now though, i'm all for the manager and side getting us back up the table. Seriously, wtf does that mean? 'i'm all for the side getting back up the table...' Because that's the last thing the rest of us want. You just plow your lonely furrow with that wish....

I don't think he's that highly rated, we overrate him on here because he's not Pardew. Disagree. Think he's rated on here because he set out a team from a lower division that beat us comfortably twice. Not really seen Brighton play other than those 2 games so couldn't comment. He's a good commentator/analyst, that's about as much as i can vouch for.

It depends what you mean by highly rated. Is he considered as highly as Rafa benitez or Gus Hiddink? No. Of the cheaper options for clubs that don't want to invest in an expensive manager, I would say yes. One Brighton fan's opinion doesn't really tell us much in isolation. I wasn't suggesting it told us much, I was just intrigued to see if he was talking s*** Tbf, the only reason I thought he'd be a good appointment was on the basis of a couple of games against us. They looked far better organised defensively, they had a good work ethic and they showed good movement and passing when they had possession. Hopefully it was just a one off and he will prove to be s**** after all. Well let's face it if he's not as good as Benitez or Hiddink and that tosser Pardew has beaten both of those recently, Poyet must be really f***ing s****. You've got to be the worst poster on here.

I don't disagree with much of that, our only difference of opinion seems to be on Pardew's ability to make a set of players into a team. Well he created a good dressing room atmosphere and made the players a team in the season we finished 5th so he has shown he's capable of it. He's proved when his side have got confidence and are on a good run he's capable of maintaining it. It's just when things become tough and he has a lot of questions to answer he gets found out for the s*** manager he is. I just think these players are good enough to paper over his cracks with their individual ability. Given the players haven't acheived anything near for the past 13 months i'd question your ability to make such a judgement. Being topped out on Bennies doesn't pass as a qualification to do so i might add.

Isn't that extra TV money coming through at the end of this season? I'm sure people repeatedly stated that this summer in defence of our lack of spending. So next summer could be a problem too... Even ignoring that, are they seriously suggesting that a) this January's activities had nothing to do with our perilous league position and form at the time and b) signing one senior player last summer was perfectly adequate? It's pointless disecting it imo as it's meant to be opaque and ultimately uninformative bollox. The bottom line is that the club would like to stay out of the bottom 5 places as that brings about the threat of relegation which would be bad for the balance sheet. As long as that's acheived not a single f**k will be given if we don't compete for or achieve anything else. There is a will continue to be a complete absense of sporting ambition.