Pilko

On the bench again today, although with Armstrong, Cisse and Gouffran also on there I somehow doubt his involvement

That's the least Pardewy bench ever ffs, four forwards

he played well from the Plymouth away title clinching game until he left just over a season later, before that he'd had about 3 or 4 matches you could describe as "good" in nearly three seasons and bugger all else.

From Sheffield United's point of view, the likes of Lee Hughes and Luke McCormack were imprisoned for manslaughter/drunk driving and then given pro contracts again; they were merely allowing a convict to train with them upon release, after a request from the PFA. I don't think they expected the media furore as those two incidents didn't have one nearly as big as this one has been.

Aye it's fine man, because it's a race of people, and it's a food.

Word has it that Malky is about to sign the contract to become Wigan manager in exactly one hour's time. Vincent Tan is just spell-checking the "Malky is a mega-paedo" dossier which is due out in about 58 minutes.

Longstaff is absolutely pissing it at the minute like.

The joint XI thing. I genuinely think that both teams are so lacking in quality that a few of Boro's players would get into it.

England to win from behind @ 11/1 Danny Welbeck FGS @ 9/2 £2.50 on each.

Best scored a canny goal in one, and then Shola did in the other.

GW12 Chelsea 2-1 West Brom Everton 1-1 West Ham Leicester 2-0 Sunderland Man City 3-1 Swansea Newcastle 1-1 QPR Stoke 1-0 Burnley Arsenal 2-2 Man Utd Crystal Palace 1-2 Liverpool Hull 0-0 Spurs Aston Villa 1-4 Southampton

Shitty draw IMO. 1-1.

Garth loves to awkwardly interrupt the Football Focus host or keep talking and talking a load of bollocks when he blatantly has news of a goal somewhere, it's mint.

England internationals tend to be marginally less exciting than pastimes such as cutting your toenails or putting the bins out.

Quid on Jagielka FGS at 28/1.

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-miss-out-on-striker-1-6953646 Can't wait for the first ill-informed uppity lass on Facebook to read this headline and say "it's disgraceful, rapist" etc.

Me neither, this is why the reaction from a lot of people (not this thread particularly) has pissed me off so much. Well what else can we go on? his word/hers? it's the only quantifiable data. That's the point though, do we really have to react to this at all? He's done his time and now he's free, nobody truly knows if he did actually rape her or not so any decision we make is still shrouded in doubt. That's my point though, at this point the only thing that is certain is he was convicted. That's literally it. I have no idea what went down, but the only thing we know for sure is that he was convicted. i was semi-serious before mind, i reckon he'll get the conviction overturned personally He might well do, I have no idea, as none of us know what happened in the hotel room. He might equally not do though. Why then do you seem to be convinced that he's definitely guilty? (Yes, he was convicted, we know) Is it due to some massive faith you have in the British criminal justice system? I'm asking specifically about this case.

I get the feeling that Santoon could tell me the sky was blue in this thread and it would irritate the fuck out of me. Congrats.

Me neither, this is why the reaction from a lot of people (not this thread particularly) has pissed me off so much.

You can't say "chances are he didn't intentionally rape this woman" you have nothing to base that on. His own vehement protestation that he's innocent despite the conviction is what I'm basing it on. The court would have come down like a ton of bricks if there was a hint of him raping her "on purpose", whereas the conviction was largely circumstancial. He got convicted. That's not the point I'm arguing. I'm talking about whether it was premeditated rape or not; the court decided it was rape whether you agree with it or not.

You can't say "chances are he didn't intentionally rape this woman" you have nothing to base that on. His own vehement protestation that he's innocent despite the conviction is what I'm basing it on. The court would have come down like a ton of bricks if there was a hint of him raping her "on purpose", whereas the conviction was largely circumstancial.

Lee Hughes and Luke McCormack were convicted for killing people (admittedly 'accidentally') and returned to play football again. Whilst Evans may or may not be a rapist under the official definition, chances are he probably didn't intentionally rape this woman. Therefore I find a lot of the furore, arguments, and massively skewed viewpoints from the same feminist sorts baying for Dapper Laughs' blood every five minutes to be fuelled by hysteria. Where were these people when the two aforementioned people got back into football? The Dapper Laughs thing is a totally different argument of course and I don't happen to agree with a lot of what he has said, but at the minute there's loads of lasses I have on Facebook posting these heavily feminist articles about these issues all the time and I'm quite sure the vast majority are bandwagoning it a fair bit.

For every account like what Groo just posted there's one where someone absolves him of it; suggesting that nobody other than those involved truly know the facts.

Don't buy into the "he's shown no remorse" thing because he's said he was innocent from day one; therefore why on earth would he? I'm unsure; if he'd admitted to it I would say absolutely not but due to his stance of firmly denying rape it's kind of a grey area.

It does come quite close to "obscene" though.