Froggy

Reminds me of Fantail Breeze. He was a delight.

Garnacho.

You're 3 points off the European spots. EDIT: Unless you're being sarcastic?

I'll mess about from time to time but I'm well aware we've had a heap of flops. Casemiro certainly ain't one though.

Agreed. 1 in 8 for a £25m striker = not a flop. Waste of time.

I could pick you apart like a piece of rotisserie chicken, traitor. I just try not to do it these days.

But anyway, enough of this. Wrong thread. Howe is a great manager.

I don't think. it is shocking double standards.

That's what the reports say. Take Hojlund for example. He scored 1 every 3-4 games for us. He won two trophies. We'll be recouping ~65% of what we paid. Newcastle Online verdict: Flop Chris Wood. 1 goal every 8. Sold for 60% of what was paid. Newcastle Online verdict: Well he took up good positions despite being absolutely garbage, therefore, not a flop.

You lost £10m on him in 18 months after he scored 5 goals in 40 appearances. Again, double standards.

A striker signed for £25m scores 1 goal every 8 games but is somehow not a flop despite scoring double figures literally every season for other clubs for a over a decade. The double standards are beyond ludicrous IMO.

Read that again Pata. I understand the logic behind signing a player from what you expected to be a relegation rival, but he was still expensive and rubbish. If we can't label that a flop then it's a serious relocation of the goalposts. The fact you ended up nowhere near relegation was nothing to do with Chris Wood. Jonjo Shelvey probably had more of an impact.

Leeds 2-1 Forest Man United 2-2 Spurs Arsenal 2-0 Sunderland Bournemouth 1-1 Villa Burnley 0-0 West Ham Fulham 2-1 Everton Wolves 1-2 Chelsea Newcastle 2-0 Brentford Brighton 2-0 Palace Liverpool 1-1 Man City

Probably thinking to himself that he'd start for Spurs right away.

The Champions League clause was well documented. No idea how it is under INEOS. I'm sure the journalists close to the club will be able to confirm it in the summer after we've won the league.

Not according to pretty much all official sources. You paid £55m for a 29 year old Wissa and gave him £140k a week. We paid £65m for a 26 year old Mbeumo and gave him £150k a week. Mbeumo is 50-70% better mind.

Less minutes too and had an injury layoff. Sesko is better than Woltemade IMO.

But people arguing against me are doing the exact same thing, just with zero sources. I say Gordon is on £150k, the same as Mbeumo, as multiple sources have reported. You say, nah that's lies Man United pay way more. Do you see the issue?

Glad at least some people have noticed that all the silly contracts were pre-INEOS.

Wissa - £140k Woltemade - £130k Ramsey - £120k Elanga - £100k You'd think these lads are on £20k a week the way you boys get on. You pay big fees and big wages.

Aye it was wages, that's why you missed out. Mbeumo gets paid the same as Anthony Gordon man.

You can't keep coming out with this line whenever you've dropped £200m+ on attacking players in the summer and they barely have double figure goal involvements between all three of them. That's on the manager,.

It was risky I'll give you that, I think INEOS have been bang on with the majority of their signings. We're peddled about here as if we make mistake after mistake, which just isn't true, although there have been some pretty expensive disasters with Sancho and Antony and we've paid for those when we were chasing multiple trophies and the best signings we could make were loan deals for Sabitzer and Weghorst. But to suggest Newcastle have only made one mistake is just silly. You could argue that Woltemade, Wissa, Elanga and Ramsey have all flopped so far. I wouldn't personally say that, but if you think Sesko is a flop then Woltemade and Wissa definitely are. And you can't claim players like Chris Wood weren't flops/mistakes because you managed to recoup OK money for them.

I was trying to be serious.

Man United signings over the last 5 years Cunha Mbeumo Sesko Lammens Dorgu Heaven Ugarte Mazraoui De Ligt Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo Newcastle United signings over the last 5 years: Wissa Woltemade Elanga Thiaw Ramsey Vlachodimos Kelly Hall Osula Minteh Tonali Barnes Livramento Targett Pope Botman Isak Gordon Willock Trippier Wood Guimaraes Burn Who are the flops from both in your opinion?