Tiresias

Don't think Stoke are much away from home but could well keep us out too. 0-0 wouldn't be a huge surprise

I suspect Rafa likes him because he hasn't whinged a lot when he's rotated him out too.

Rafa obviously hugely rates his dressing room influence, we have missed players with his attitude to be fair even if not sure his ability is top drawer.

I'd swap Perez for Shelvey in our current lineup, but doubt that will happen.

The art of defending dead in Europe it seems

This athletic black players = powerhouses needs to stop it's getting ridiculous

Think they'll be ok first half of season but drop badly like they did last season in second half. Teams just need to drop off them a bit, let them pass it around in front of them and choose their moments.

Actually kinda impressive

https://fansided.com/2017/09/11/frank-de-boer-ultimatum-gets-dumber-crystal-palace/

Clubs that sack a lot of managers are papering over cracks, I think we like to overestimate how much most managers can do, there are a lot of other factors, out of control player power and a chairmen who will listen to them over their manager is big, and if no manager stays long it's clear there may be a more pressing disease. The thing is Palace ahve a lot of other things going for them, but they churn through the managers. Their squad on paper isn't completely terrible.

I don't know what's madder, sacking a manager after 4 games, or deciding to sack him after 2 which seems to be what happened and then prolonging it. I get the impression that Parish is waaaaaaay too hands on and any manager worth his salt is going to chafe heavily against him. De Boer however, not sure if he's got anything as a coach either, was pretty unimpressive.

To be fair wouldn't surprise me if Antonio was just pretending to pass stuff on to keep Rafa happy

Prolly having nice memories of last season

I am imagining Rafa watching from home and it not working, bet he'd be phoning the club and swearing blind

'Grayson knows how to deal with the championship' Erm, not how to get promoted from it though

Not a proper man if you're flying kicked in the head and don't wave to the crowd

Fucking idiots

Nowt against mawson like but sad days when we're praising a player for not going to ground as if kicked in the head when he hasn't been kicked in the head

Not even going to look at anything positive about our performance apart from lascelles just loads of time on ref decision noone on either side was bothered about

Really starting to feel for de boer had no sympathy before as can't stand palace but man 4 games lol. Pardew tried to change their style? lol what to guide the opponents into their own goal politely style

Looking at tweets at him after the game, blimey is it always like that for any of our players? Lots of invitations out for romantic walks

Will have better games I'm sure but forgettable.

See sky sports has his ratings at only 6, eh?

Stupid to dive but otherwise bossed it today. Outshone the Sanches wunderkid.