geordiesteve710

Sky Sports trying to conduct an interview while a Derby fan is on the pitch in the background trying to fight the whole Forest team

Comes across as a massive cheap shot tbh. He probably once got given his halftime Lucozade last or something when Pearce was managing him and his ego couldn't let it go.

This literally makes no sense at all Even if he was frequently referred to as JD it still wouldn't make any sense. What a f***ing tragic bunch they are Even worse, the seething legion of gimps who actually pay enough money to allow als to make a living out of this shit. Mugs one and all. Honestly, who actually buys these t-shirts? Do they even make them in adult sizes?

Tbf, I'm pretty gullible and even I've seen this as just a promotional stunt as soon as it was announced. Would be great if it happened obviously but FIFA is about as closed a shop as you can get.

You say that but where's the smoking gun in this case? Whenever anyone is discussing the evidence publicly available there's never a damning piece of evidence against Evans. There's some stuff that "looks bad" but is that really enough? Everything discussed is 'in his favour' so to speak. Considering the campaign against him if there was such evidence used in court that proves beyond doubt he's guilty then I think we'd have heard about it by now. As far as I know it was decided in court the lass was too drunk to consent (as she said she had no memory and looked p*ssed on camera) and that's essentially the basis of his conviction. Of course there would have been a lot more to it than and if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I understand this as the ultimate basis to convict. You can tell me "it's the criminal justice system" all you like but that's no guarantee the right decision was made. I think we can all probably agree that, from what we've read, heard and seen ourselves, it does look dubious but on the same score, they found him guilty and he was sentenced as such. Pretty fair summary imo. The one thing I can't get over is the hypocrisy of those who are more than happy to point to "he's been convicted by the legal system" yet are completely unprepared to accept that under the very same legal system he has served the custodial part of his sentence and is now entitled to resume his career on probation. Like they're saying the law and our courts are always right and cannot be questioned- until they disagree with them, then that doesn't apply. The one real positive is that the case and media furore have really shone a spotlight on what legally constitutes rape. If the threat of going to jail is enough to make young lads in general think twice about taking advantage of that pissed up young lass they met when she was falling all over the place in the club then that's got to be a good thing.

Exactly what I thought reading that.

From the same era, did Franck Dumas manage 10 appearances for us?

Seems legit

Maybe Mart Poom?? Obscure name, obscure face, scored a goal as a keeper. Extra obscurity points for representing the oddballs at the stadium of obscurity down the road.

This x infinity. They could slip down to the conference and the novelty still wouldn't wear off!!

The sooner Fleetwood is under water thanks to global warming the better for me. Detestable club always ruin an acca if i bet for/against them. Yeah, I've been avoiding their games like the plague since halfway through last season. Been bitten by the 'Fleetwood factor' too many times, and for more money than I would want to calculate.

Also, the first half display. Any potential head coach looking at that would hopefully be encouraged by the potential in the squad.

I'll tell you who can fuck right off. Annan Athletic, that's who. They can fuck off and fall off a cliff.

Tbf we've only scored before 30 mins in one game all season. I'd say we've just been poor throughout games.

Watch him do it now - just to piss us off!!!

Don't forget the massive pay rise on the pittance Ashley was paying him.

Tbf there probably is a sizeable section of our support who will jump on any opportunity to criticise the new guy in defence of their departed hero. Unfortunately this"run around a lot is better than talent and wins derbies" guff does take a lot of people in, even though its been proven to be bollocks. Same reason a lot of them down the road prefer to have "catts" than a proper footballer in their midfield. I'd imagine a few bad results and some will be getting on a new guy's back upset that he doesn't have the same "Ingerlish pashun" as uncle alan. That and the bed-sheet brigade do give outsiders the impression we're all knobs tbf. Keys is still an utter cunt like and horrendous dinosaur of a presenter.

Just wait till next week when we appoint a 'French nobody' and a 'unheard of forrin puppet' Just watching the montage at the beginning of the show we all know how this is going to pan out, don't we? Didn't see it but I'm assuming the montage didn't show 4 consecutive derby defeats, Liverpool rolling in their 6th, rubbing Meyler's chin with his forehead etc.

That must be a fucking parody!!! Or SMB at best. I particularly enjoyed the bits about Debuchy not knowing what a football looked like and how some of us got rid of him ( he left for a 3-400% wage rise!!) Satirical genius of the highest order.

The role model argument is a massive red herring Imo. If any parent is going to have genuine trouble explaining to their child that rape is a vile act, because Ched Evans is allowed to play football then they have serious, serious problems as a parent.

I'd like to know what these people are thinking/what they hope to achieve?!? She's not going to turn around and retract her allegations (I doubt she could anyway seeing as the trial is over.) All it's doing is adding to negative public perceptions of the man and his "campaign" for innocence. Apart from the increased publicity I can only imagine in the end it'll make it harder for him to move on within himself as well. Doesn't seem to be any logic?!?

This is it for me. As for the idea that he's being hounded from every job opportunity because of how he phrases things is f***ing ludicrous tbh. Saying "my infidelity" is stupid but it's not the reason he's being hunted down at every opportunity. He's at the centre of a massive witch hunt, there's nothing else to it. Every single interview I hear about the case involving someone from a group that campaigns against rape and violence against women etc specifically refers to the fact that he's shown no remorse or made any sort of apology. It's almost always the first thing they say in response to the question about whether he should be given a second chance. Like it or not, there are clearly a lot of emotions riding on what he has said since being convicted. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who are trying to stop him from playing football. The law has established a sentence to fit the crime: if a person has served his time, that should be the end of it. I don't want to live in a society where certain crimes force people to become "untouchables" living on the margins of society for the rest of their lives. If he wants to claim that he was innocent, that's his right. If he wants to act like a complete knobhead, that's his right as well. If anyone should have a say in whether he gets to sign for Oldham or not, it should probably be the Oldham fans. One of the big problems I have with the anti-Evans arguments is that I don't want to live in a society where the way a person is treated is based on media perceptions/ what pressure groups or the most popular-est celebrities have to say on the matter and that is what is happening at the moment. He was tried under a court of law and, whether some like it or not, convicted under a court of law which is the first thing his detractors (rightly) point to. He has served, and is continuing to serve, his sentence as laid down by that same legal system. The terms of his sentence allow him to legally resume his career now and, whether others like it or not, he should probably be allowed to do so. He does have the right to act like a knobhead, just as I have the right to (and do) consider him to be a knobhead. That shouldn't mean me (or anyone else) has the right to stop him resuming his career just because they don't like him. It's why we have a legal system. Hypocrite alert: If it was NUFC, I would feel an awful lot stronger about it.

If that's the case, then when the law changes to reflect that, Ched's in the clear. If you are not capable of consenting and someone takes advantage of your condition, it is rape. What is required for consent though? If she was passed out drunk or force was involved then obviously that should constitute rape, but I don't think the law should extend to protecting people who make decisions they regret whilst p*ssed. It's all very dodgy ground especially when someone is going to serve time and be labeled as a rapist for the rest of their life, giving the connotations surrounding the term. I have a genuine question on this (not trying to be provocative, honest.) My understanding is that it is a man's responsibility to judge whether the woman in his hotel room- or wherever- is too drunk to be making a sound judgement about what she is doing and stop things from progressing if so. Does this still apply if the man is also extremely intoxicated and too drunk to either get this judgement right, or more likely not to think of stopping to think that a judgement needs to be made before carrying on with what they are doing? It seems possible that there could be a situation where two people get equally wasted, have drunken sex and one of them is open to being convicted of rape if the other later decides they regret it? That seems pretty worrying to me. I'm not saying that's what happened in the room, and not particularly pro or anti Evans' position in this whole scenario (as a person he comes across as an absolute knob mind), just wondered if anyone on here knows what the legal position on this is?

Down to dickheads on twitter and that though, not Evans fault really is it? Not like he's doing a Michael Myers and pursuing her or owt. His website and family haven't helped like. Yeah I'll concede the point there. Hardly been the classiest of advocates for "justice" it must be said. That is exactly the problem. I have seen him interviewed and he still refers to the rape as "my infidelity" Now, the whole , "maybe he was innocent" thing is an understandable argument, at least from him, but as things stand, right now, Ched Evans is a convicted rapist. He's also a convicted rapist who not only hasn't expressed any remorse, he continues to act as if what he did is comparable with getting a bit p*ssed one night and cheating on your girlfriend. All the "yeah but what if he's not guilty" stuff is totally irrelevant - if we are going to look for mitigating factors here, then they are not going to come from arguments along the line of "maybe he's not guilty". The most depressing thing about this whole situation now is seeing football clubs who are just looking for any little opportunity to find a way they can employ someone like Evans and get away with it. Sheffield United shat themselves because Jessica Ennis threatened to take her name off the stand, Charlie Webster threatened to resign, those sort of things, but Oldham are clearly thinking they can find a way to make it happen without taking too much flack. I'd be absolutely f***ing mortified if my club acted like that. This is where I am with the whole thing. The whole scenario has more subtleties and grey areas than people on both sides seem to want to acknowledge, I'm just shitting myself in case Ashley suddenly spots a striker he will (wrongly) see as being competent, available for free and another chance to trample the club's name further into the ground to boot. Whatever the rights or wrongs I don't want us having anything to do with him- taking advantage of a situation where someone has been convicted of rape to get a bargain in the transfer market is seedy as fuck imo.