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If that's the case, then when the law changes to reflect that, Ched's in the clear. If you are not capable of consenting and someone takes advantage of your condition, it is rape. What is required for consent though? If she was passed out drunk or force was involved then obviously that should constitute rape, but I don't think the law should extend to protecting people who make decisions they regret whilst p*ssed. It's all very dodgy ground especially when someone is going to serve time and be labeled as a rapist for the rest of their life, giving the connotations surrounding the term. I have a genuine question on this (not trying to be provocative, honest.) My understanding is that it is a man's responsibility to judge whether the woman in his hotel room- or wherever- is too drunk to be making a sound judgement about what she is doing and stop things from progressing if so. Does this still apply if the man is also extremely intoxicated and too drunk to either get this judgement right, or more likely not to think of stopping to think that a judgement needs to be made before carrying on with what they are doing? It seems possible that there could be a situation where two people get equally wasted, have drunken sex and one of them is open to being convicted of rape if the other later decides they regret it? That seems pretty worrying to me. I'm not saying that's what happened in the room, and not particularly pro or anti Evans' position in this whole scenario (as a person he comes across as an absolute knob mind), just wondered if anyone on here knows what the legal position on this is?

Down to dickheads on twitter and that though, not Evans fault really is it? Not like he's doing a Michael Myers and pursuing her or owt. His website and family haven't helped like. Yeah I'll concede the point there. Hardly been the classiest of advocates for "justice" it must be said. That is exactly the problem. I have seen him interviewed and he still refers to the rape as "my infidelity" Now, the whole , "maybe he was innocent" thing is an understandable argument, at least from him, but as things stand, right now, Ched Evans is a convicted rapist. He's also a convicted rapist who not only hasn't expressed any remorse, he continues to act as if what he did is comparable with getting a bit p*ssed one night and cheating on your girlfriend. All the "yeah but what if he's not guilty" stuff is totally irrelevant - if we are going to look for mitigating factors here, then they are not going to come from arguments along the line of "maybe he's not guilty". The most depressing thing about this whole situation now is seeing football clubs who are just looking for any little opportunity to find a way they can employ someone like Evans and get away with it. Sheffield United shat themselves because Jessica Ennis threatened to take her name off the stand, Charlie Webster threatened to resign, those sort of things, but Oldham are clearly thinking they can find a way to make it happen without taking too much flack. I'd be absolutely f***ing mortified if my club acted like that. This is where I am with the whole thing. The whole scenario has more subtleties and grey areas than people on both sides seem to want to acknowledge, I'm just shitting myself in case Ashley suddenly spots a striker he will (wrongly) see as being competent, available for free and another chance to trample the club's name further into the ground to boot. Whatever the rights or wrongs I don't want us having anything to do with him- taking advantage of a situation where someone has been convicted of rape to get a bargain in the transfer market is seedy as fuck imo.

well if we're going to get technical he's not served his time, he's out on probation and is on it for another 30 months. Still served time inside required, isn't prohibition all about the final part of rehabilitation? Probation is more about making room in prison for the next lot than rehabilitation, if the truth be known. Prohibition is the banning of something, i.e alcohol in America

I was wondering about that as well. I assume that the rule is limited to Celtic and the option is not available to all SPL clubs? Does beg the question why and how they got that rule approved.

Fucking diabolical tbf

Well, it rhymes with 'grit'...

Got halfway through then gave up. It's well written tbf, but the premise is ridiculous. Why have Newcastle and Sunderland's cup games been treated differently. I don't really know where to start with a lot of the more in-depth stuff, but it reeks of the old mackem double standard of wanting to be seen as the brave underdog, draw counts as a win against us etc while at the same time demanding equality in press coverage and perspective. But on the face of it man, the reason NUFC are getting lots of s*** in the media about the weekend and SAFC are not is maybe, just maybe, down to them not playing completely dogshit, actually WINNING the game, and getting through to the next round?!?

I liked Tbf, he was probably expecting to be shunted out wide as an extra left back.

I don't believe a word of that. Pardew being a rude arrogant arsehole? He always seemed such a nice man. He's going to be referred as "former Newcastle manager" for the rest of his (hopefully short) career, isn't he? When things goes wrong, or he does something shitty like this, aye. When things go right- 'Eagles manager Super Alan Pardew...' For reference see Bellamy, Craig.

Surely, at the very very least, even the most ardent "Gouffran-atic" would see the value in having HBA on the bench as an option for 25 minutes should the game not be going to plan?!? He'd deserve better, but surely there isn't a sane person out there who can't see how HBA would be an asset to the club in some way, shape or form. Instead of that, we haven't even let him go on a free we've paid him extra to leave early. Absolutely criminal, man!!!

The forum arguments over the merits of doing so and the slow but eventually unified opinion that he's inexcusable. Honestly, when I think back to the few months grace I gave him in 2012 before there was no way to excuse it anymore. I kind of feel like I'm in therapy for it, I should want this thread to die and to forget about him, but I hate him so much, I'm so bitter over it and I desperately want him to fail and for his entire life to fall apart. Is that bad? Bad? It's fair! I feel exactly the same. The bloke seems to have pulled the wool over EVERYBODY'S eyes other than the fans who've watched his s**** week in, week out. There have been times when I've questioned my own sanity because of this tosser. same, its been a horrific experience feel like im suffering PTSD. I'm gone the other way. Felt like the world lifted off my shoulders the day he went. I don't really give a fuck what he gets up to now, I'm just glad it won't be here. The world seemed brighter, beer tasted better etc. I despise the legions of mongs defending him more than the man himself. The 'well yes the football was shite, but what you Newcastle fans don't understand is that that's your place now and it's completely unreasonable to wish for anything better. Poor Pardew' brigade. I had to justify myself to a Chelsea fan yesterday. Fucking Chelsea man- the biggest frauds in English football. The club whose fans had a hissy fit and turned on Scolari by October because he had gone 5 games without a win or something. And I can tell you now the same ones defending by criticising Ashley now, will be the same ones that normally spend all their time sticking up for Ashley, using the 'fans expectations' argument.

Only when he parks it, AMIRITE I'd wager he's probably s**** at that as well the useless life draining c*** I were trying to drive the coach too well. And sometimes that's not the best way to get the coach where you want it to be. Everyone knows I always try to change gear using my front foot on the clutch, ask anyone at the DVLA, they'll tell you that. And what about all them road closures- must've been that facking Notting Hill Carnival again. We was.

Is he still physically in Newcastle? Surely would have been worth a run out yesterday??

Nuke South Tynedale imo. Not worth the risk of letting this failed abortion continue to live.

The booing got louder when the players came over to applaud the away fans. Satka, Armstrong, Roberts, Alnwick were all there applauding whilst the away end absolutely slated them. Seasoned pros like Tiote, Anita (who I've stuck up for previously) and Riviere should really hang their heads in shame after their efforts. Someone needs to explain to these kids that "defending" a 1-0 defeat in injury time the Cup is pointless, spineless and pretty fucking insulting to the traveling fans. I have no confidence that anyone within the club will deliver this message so I took this into my own hands at the end, fortunately for me 4,000+ decided to do the same do I didn't look like a complete mentalist. Might have been a little shitty on the kids but when we're 1-0 down going into the last 10 minutes in next year's 3rd Round hopefully a memory will twig, they'll remember that actually this isn't a good result and bother their arses to try and get back in the game. Probably the direct opposite of what Lawrie Sanchez/Chas/Dave/whoever is in the dug-out will be telling them to do and all.

Chatting to some Leicester fans on the platform for the train. Sat bang in line with Cabella. Said it was def onside, couldn't believe their luck when flag went up. As for our lot, words fail me. I went with no expectations, still managed to leave feeling let down.

They're both a set of complete c***s if that helps. This. City more than earn their 'Manchester mackems' moniker.

Was absolute dogshit today.

Aye, no witch hunt against the English lads with Liverpool connections. What a fucking surprise!!!

Spent the last hour and half drinking in Leeds station (only bar serving at that time) rounded off with a KFC Big Daddy box meal. This is a good day.

Just finished work and belatedly getting on it. Opened a bottle of Hine reserve cognac to toast the occasion Happy VP day everybody!!!

The people I'm talking to on another (non-Newcastle) forum don't deny that it's proof of mediocrity, but say that this is what we should be happy with as we're a mediocre, mid-table club. It's hard to argue with them because if you say we should be doing better than that you're howled out of the place as a "delusional Geordie". We should be aiming for 8th-12th. 5th cancels out 16th, and the other finishes of 12th, 10th and currently 9th are exactly where we should be. They see no problem. I've cited the s*** football but got "so what? You're still where you should be in the league". It's painful. Fucking hate this attitude in football- everyone has to know their place. Like social classes of the 1930's. Looking to aspire upwards?? Delusional. It's an attitude that came from the bigger clubs wanting to safeguard "their" positions yet has been swallowed by supporters if pretty much every club of every standard. Try explaining to your mates that you do not feel entitled to better than mediocrity, but you want to be better than mediocre. Ask if they'd be happy with being mediocre. Given that they're all probably Man Utd fans who lost their shit about finishing 7th they'll say of course not. Then ask why they feel they are automatically entitled to a better team than you. They will struggle to answer in any way which doesn't cone across as arrogant as fuck. Because that's what they are.

I would love to have De Boer or Laudrup as manager. Pretty sure we'll get someone horrible like Sanchez, Sherwood or noel edmonds.

Just had a genuinely awful thought. Ashley potentially has 12 months salary to pay Ally McCoist does he not?? He won't want to pay that without getting some sort of labour in return Hopefully someone informed will reply to this with a sound reasoning as to why this happening is impossible, (e.g. Because legally the clubs are separate entities) and put my mind at ease.