Kid Icarus

It's not your opinion on the matter I take issue with, it's your constant misrepresentation of the opinions of me and others who disagree. Maybe you should take your own advice and ignore if you can't accept an opposing opinion at face value and have to resort to that. As long as you keep doing it I'll keep pulling you up, sorry.

Everyone does see you bitching KaKa, that's the point, being a drama queen while complaining about others being dramatic is your M.O Respectfully disagreeing is what everyone else is doing. Pretending that people are disagreeing with you because they're stupid, mislead, are taking sides is what you're doing, big difference.

No, they're reacting naturally to the things he said in his interview. Your insistance on presenting anyone who has a problem with what Mitchell said as doing so for dishonest reasons is insufferable. People have their own intuition and take on something that has no defined truth to it, get over yourself.

Gabriel could have been killed

We're making the same point basically. Another way to phrase it would be even with someone like Ancelotti, their talent only gets you so far.

I don't think it's a case of dictating or suggesting that, it's that he's already established our identity. He didn’t do it as a dictator, he did it alongside Nixon and with the support of Staveley and Ghodoussi and probably Tindall and his coaching staff. He has the CV as a DoF and the success as a coach to make throwing the baby out with the bath water a suicidal decision imo. The identity part for Newcastle should already have a line drawn under it AFAIC, it's done. Every Pep team is built in his identity, likewise Klopp and there's always the expectation that they can't succeed unless they get x, y, and z. I'd expect the same will apply with ETH, despite having Ashworth in place. And when they don't have the tools yet (Pep 16/17, Klopp 15/16, 16/17, 17/18) they don't succeed. People might scoff at drawing that comparison but you have to do the same with Howe, he's more than proved his worth, and we'd be absolutely crazy to undermine and potentially lose him so Mitchell - someone whose greatest achievement as a DoF is building the Spurs side that came 3rd the year Leicester won the league - can bring in some Poch regen.

FWIW though I wouldn't say that 7th/average would be unacceptable from him in the circumstances either. There are still some big caveats about giving him the tools to bring success to the club that haven't been fulfilled.

Well yes but if we're judging him on what he's actually done in context I do think it's miracle work. If he finishes 7th this season and we have no major injury crisis, outgoings etc then I'll agree and call that par.

It's really not like, this is an improvement. I think some might have forgotten just how bad it was before his injury.

4th (3rd for the majority of the season) when the squad was 9th or 10th (can't quite remember) in wages, 7th when most of that 7th in wages squad were out injured all season. No miracle if you ignore that crucial context, miracle work if you don't.

The point is that Howe has done this as the de facto DoF and he's built an identity that's: 1. Perfectly in keeping with our historical identity (under Keegan basically) 2. The fans love and 3. Has brought success We need a DoF to continue that identity and ensure that it's sustainable and usable from manager to manager, but the idea and growing rhetoric that we need to go back to the drawing board and that what Howe's doing won't work, can't be modified etc strikes me as insane. There seems to be a bit of a presumption that if someone has Director of Football as their job title, everyone should bow to their knowledge and experience and give them the keys to the club. In our case even to the extent of giving them carte blanche to transplant their own identity onto a club with an existing one that the majority loved, was successful, and just needs some refinement to fall in with PSR/give us saleable assets. If you look at Howe's history through the lens of him as a DoF at Bournemouth and here it makes much more sense. At Bournemouth his signings were for the most part fantastic and made millions for the club. He left, leaving the club in a much better position and with an identity that he built and that still exists there since he left. Sounds like a successful DoF to me.

My distrust for Mitchell and my feeling that something isn't right began with the transfer window debacle and Mitchell's interview tbf. Hope and the media are irrelevant AFAIC.

This is an 'if it comes down to it' poll. No room for centrism splitting the vote in the football section.

Aye mate, locking a thread with coming up to a hundred votes and already on 2 pages seems like what everyone wants.

It's a discussion that's already going on, it already exists as a notion. I know some people think this whole 'problem' is a media invention and that's fine, but the discussion over Howe and Mitchell is happening regardless.

One word: Everton

As a sidenote, what does TRC stand for?

This is exactly it as well. I've shyed away from this question because it invites the inevitable 'I'm not a director of football/ they'll be able to identify the right person, but even then it's like if we didn't have Howe, you'd choose him.

Sounds dramatic but just getting in there first and curious about the general feeling. Edit: saying as some don't like the wording. Of course 'they'll work together' is an option I'd imagine the overwhelming majority would choose, but in the interests of not splitting the vote this is very much an 'if it comes down to it' poll. I don't see the harm in seeing what the temperature is, considering this discussion is already happening and has been for a while in the Howe and Mitchell threads.

I feel sorry for any team that loses to Spurs when they and we know how heartless they are

No they didn't, no. So no.

Solid PL managers tend not to add a few signings and take a relegation circling side from 4th and 7th. Ancelotti is a mid-table manager without the right players

Kepa