Astroblack Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Do any of our players have a good understanding with another? I can't think of any at this moment. The last good one was Cabaye - Debuchy. Maybe Janmaat and Ayoze? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I agree and outside of Youtube i know very little of Mitrovic, but watching those videos made me think that Perez or De Jong would compliment him better than Cisse even if Cisse is a more proven scorer of goals. I also find it a bit optimistic, that we are expecting all these signings to hit the ground running. That's what the club is making me think anyway, I really do think we'll start off slow and the only thing i can hope is that we get better as the season goes on. We are not just buying seemingly half a new team, but according to McClaren at least a new style of play as well. These things are going to take time and i would genuinely be shocked if it all clicks immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ignoring the fact I know nothing about the new players, I'd currently chuck the following players out there in some sort of order. Krul, Janmaat, Coloccini, Dummett, Haidara, Perez, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, De Jong, Cisse, Mitrovic. Agreed Is that not horribly imbalanced though? It's essentially a back four, two #10's, three strikers and Sissoko. Need a bit of width and somebody who can come deep from the midfield and help us build the play surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Do any of our players have a good understanding with another? I can't think of any at this moment. The last good one was Cabaye - Debuchy. Maybe Janmaat and Ayoze? Krul and the ballboys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ignoring the fact I know nothing about the new players, I'd currently chuck the following players out there in some sort of order. Krul, Janmaat, Coloccini, Dummett, Haidara, Perez, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, De Jong, Cisse, Mitrovic. Agreed Is that not horribly imbalanced though? It's essentially a back four, two #10's, three strikers and Sissoko. Need a bit of width and somebody who can come deep from the midfield and help us build the play surely? Tbf at this point we know the rest are shite might as well stick the best players out and see how it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ignoring the fact I know nothing about the new players, I'd currently chuck the following players out there in some sort of order. Krul, Janmaat, Coloccini, Dummett, Haidara, Perez, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, De Jong, Cisse, Mitrovic. Agreed Is that not horribly imbalanced though? It's essentially a back four, two #10's, three strikers and Sissoko. Need a bit of width and somebody who can come deep from the midfield and help us build the play surely? Tbf at this point we know the rest are shite might as well stick the best players out and see how it goes I think there'll have to be a place for one of Colback/Tiote/Abeid/Anita. A midfielder whose main job is to sit deep and recycle the play. None of those options overly excite me tbh but if it's a 'keep it simple and hold your position' role I'd be hopeful one of them could do a competent job. Ideally Abeid would get the spot as he's got both the physicality and distribution for it, the other three are all lacking at least one of those. At the moment my front six would be as follows... Sissoko Abeid Perez Wijnaldum Aarons Cisse/Mitrovic I'd see Sissoko as the box to box player, driving the team forward. By far his best asset is his engine and ability to drive into space through the middle of the field. Put him next to a sitter who can pass the ball and with a proper playmaking AM in front of him and I think we'll see great things from him. We actually have some nice options in the three AM spots with De Jong and Cabella possible options who I've left out. Wijnaldum could move out right with De Jong taking over as the central AM if Perez is needed up top/injured/not producing the goods. Whoever starts on the right would be tucking in a lot with Janmaat given plenty of license to bomb on and provide width on the right, so the position isn't really a winger at all. On the left it's another story. I've started Aarons for now as a pure out and out winger would stretch teams out and give us pace which the team lacks otherwise. We also need someone getting it into the box if Mitrovic is going to be of any use to us. Part of me thinks Cabella has more to offer than we've seen but I'd be happy to move him on and bring in another left winger to start out there with Aarons being the understudy. The Thauvin and Abdennour links make a lot of sense in this regard. A CB (or two, in all honesty) is also a need, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I'd do that as well, Perez over Sissoko because i feel he's more offensively skilled as a count of actually being a forward and Aarons because he's the only real winger with pace we actually have. I think the rest of the team pretty much picks itself, but the "winger" positions are really puzzling me atm. Hang on i read De Jong instead of Sissoko, i think i'd still pick De Jong tbh. But regardless with all the injuries we usually get it would be nice to actually have some competition for once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Tell you what mind, with a team around him and therefore not being crowded out by three players whenever he has the ball Cabella is capable of putting in very crosses like, I think he'll like playing with Mitrovic when he gets the chance. He'll love having something to aim at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Embarrassingly, Cisse is the only player we've got that we know can score regularly in the Premier League. Irrespective of the quality of service, until he is sold (or the new lad starts firing them in) I find it a bit odd that we'd leave him out. We're looking at a complete overhaul in how well we play and create as a team before we're confident enough we can cope without a striker like him. Bit optimistic that IMO. Southampton didn't have a proven Premier League goalscorer this time last year (I don't think...I may have missed someone obvious), but their new manager trusted himself and his signings/philosophies and had a brilliant season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think Sissoko will most probably play in a wide midfield position, so coming a bit inside and leaving the right side open for Janmaat. Janmaat is the best crosser and Sissoko can start his powerful runs from better position. Perez and Cisse are a bit of a problem. Think Papiss will start and Mitrovic will be on as a sub at first. Perez as a sub for De Jong, who won't be fit for a whole season anyway. Wijnaldum/Anita/Colback/Abeid fighting for the 2 number 6 spots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I agree with Dave on Cisse but I think his future might be over. So: Krul Janmaat Mbemba Dummett Haidara Anita Wijnaldum Sissoko De Jong Aarons Mitrovic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think Sissoko can probably be worth a place on the right-wing when hesnot sharing the midfield with carthorses like Colback and Gouffran. With Wijnaldum, De Jong and Aarons, he wouldn't be the solitary driving force from the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think the wing suits him better. He struggles with the quick footwork required in the centre. Down the flank he gets the chance to isolate his fullback, which means he will win alot of duals because of his pace. With Janmaat there he isn't restricted to staying out wide. If De Jong/Wijnaldum pick up knocks we can move him in field if necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Krul Janmaat x x Haidara Wijnaldum Colback Sissoko de Jong x x Based on the game time I've seen so far, I figure those players are certain to start against Southampton. Hopefully Aarons is the 3rd of the attacking midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Embarrassingly, Cisse is the only player we've got that we know can score regularly in the Premier League. Irrespective of the quality of service, until he is sold (or the new lad starts firing them in) I find it a bit odd that we'd leave him out. We're looking at a complete overhaul in how well we play and create as a team before we're confident enough we can cope without a striker like him. Bit optimistic that IMO. Southampton didn't have a proven Premier League goalscorer this time last year (I don't think...I may have missed someone obvious), but their new manager trusted himself and his signings/philosophies and had a brilliant season. They were already and continue to be light years ahead of us in terms of actual football played though, that's my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Embarrassingly, Cisse is the only player we've got that we know can score regularly in the Premier League. Irrespective of the quality of service, until he is sold (or the new lad starts firing them in) I find it a bit odd that we'd leave him out. We're looking at a complete overhaul in how well we play and create as a team before we're confident enough we can cope without a striker like him. Bit optimistic that IMO. Southampton didn't have a proven Premier League goalscorer this time last year (I don't think...I may have missed someone obvious), but their new manager trusted himself and his signings/philosophies and had a brilliant season. They were already and continue to be light years ahead of us in terms of actual football played though, that's my point. Fair enough but I think it's wasting other talent and others' strengths. Not many outside the top 5-6 spend £13m on someone who's not going to be starting games and I think De Jong behind him with Aarons on the left-wing and Ayoze in from the right fits better than partnering someone whose touch and in-game intelligence blows hot & cold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Don't like Sissoko on the wing, rather we signed a propper winger. Not sure how Ayoze will fit in, cover for De Jong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Krul Janmaat x x Haidara Wijnaldum Colback Sissoko de Jong x x Based on the game time I've seen so far, I figure those players are certain to start against Southampton. Hopefully Aarons is the 3rd of the attacking midfielders. And with this we're still forgetting players like Anita, Perez and Abeid who I all think have a part to play this season. And of course Mitro, who is almost guaranteed to start, the radgie bastard. Once we get the defense sorted, I don't think we're that far off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Don't like Sissoko on the wing, rather we signed a propper winger. Not sure how Ayoze will fit in, cover for De Jong? Left wing cutting inside. He did that back in Spain, but if Mitrovic expects crosses he won't be getting many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Ben Arfa played as an inverted winger for most of his time with us yet he was more than capable and willing to put a cross in. Ayoze has the capability to add that into his game if he starts to specialise on the left side of attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He is right footed and comes from a football culture were forwards aren't expected to put high crosses in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Within the realms of possibility (ie. with Colback definitely as a starter), I'd like to see: Krul Janmaat Colo Mbemba Haidara Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum De Jong Perez Mitrovic Perez is a better footballer than Cisse and will contribute more to the creativity of the team, and Mitrovic seems to know the onion bag well as being stronger than a pre-pubescent Hugo Viana - something which Cisse can't say for himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Within the realms of possibility (ie. with Colback definitely as a starter), I'd like to see: Krul Janmaat Colo Mbemba Haidara Colback Sissoko Wijnaldum De Jong Perez Mitrovic Perez is a better footballer than Cisse and will contribute more to the creativity of the team, and Mitrovic seems to know the onion bag well as being stronger than a pre-pubescent Hugo Viana - something which Cisse can't say for himself. Improve the defence and find a way for Aarons to play and thats a canny side(even with Colback) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Rotating Aarons/De Jong may not be a bad idea. Especially as both seem to have had an injury-prone start to their careers here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Rotating Aarons/De Jong may not be a bad idea. Especially as both seem to have had an injury-prone start to their careers here. Still not happy with any side that has to start one of Colo/Willo/Saylor though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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