Shak Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'd start Obertan over Gouffran all day like. He at least gives the team pace and to the untrained eye appears somewhat dangerous at times. Also provides tremendous comedy value. Gouffran is just slow, boring and shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'd start Obertan over Gouffran all day like. He at least gives the team pace and to the untrained eye appears somewhat dangerous at times. Also provides tremendous comedy value. Gouffran is just slow, boring and shite. Definitely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 To be fair he didn't actually mention Obertan. I can see him playing Perez left wing and Sissoko right wing, with a midfield 3 of Colback Wijnaldum and De Jong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 To be fair he didn't actually mention Obertan. I can see him playing Perez left wing and Sissoko right wing, with a midfield 3 of Colback Wijnaldum and De Jong. I can deal with that, except the Colback part anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'd start Obertan over Gouffran all day like. He at least gives the team pace and to the untrained eye appears somewhat dangerous at times. Also provides tremendous comedy value. Gouffran is just slow, boring and shite. If we're talking Pardew Obertan vs Pardew Gouffran, I might agree with you, but if we're talking about a pre-Pardew world, then Gouffran all day long. At least until we find out if his case of the Pardews is irreversible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberts Mustache Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Everybody is placing Wijnaldum as a CM in their line-up and some even as a DM, but he played mostly right wing in PSV, didn't he? He is no playmaker and he is certainly no DM in my book. And Sissoko isn't really a winger is he? Yes, he didn't find his role in the center of the park under Pardew, but who did? I certainly would swap their positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He started every game except 1 at Centre Midfield last year, so not sure where the winger thing comes from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He started every game except 1 at Centre Midfield last year, so not sure where the winger thing comes from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is the single most unproductive individual to have ever donned a NUFC shirt in my living memory. He is not so much crap as offering absolutely nothing to any side he is picked in. If he is picked on the left, you know for sure you may as well write off that side of the pitch from a production point of view, and there is not even an offset by making that flank stronger defensively either. On the scale of players I would want out of this club,only Williamson should be higher priority to flush away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberts Mustache Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He started every game except 1 at Centre Midfield last year, so not sure where the winger thing comes from I withdraw my statement then Sure he was listed as a winger - never played there earlier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is the single most unproductive individual to have ever donned a NUFC shirt in my living memory. Bit of an overstatement, like. He's turned to absolute shit but was reasonable for about a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He's become a liability now. I'm sure we conceded three or four goals(maybe more) from his erratic passing last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He started every game except 1 at Centre Midfield last year, so not sure where the winger thing comes from I withdraw my statement then Sure he was listed as a winger - never played there earlier? He's played there and AM for that matter but last year was all CM and it was the best year of his career. Also from what little i have seen in pre season it seems like he's much better there, got isolated a bit further forward although that could be a product of Anita and Colback tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 That could be said for half the squad tbh but I agree with the statement. Mcclaren said he likes to play players to their strengths, but we would here similar s*** from Pardew who would play Jonas as a second left back and Sissoko out wide. (Hindu Times) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is probably the player I feel sorry for most to be honest. Don't think he's an unproductive player at all... just used so unbelievably incorrectly for the last 2 years. Gouffran has always played on the wing for us hasn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is probably the player I feel sorry for most to be honest. Don't think he's an unproductive player at all... just used so unbelievably incorrectly for the last 2 years. Used incorrectly in the sense that he's been playing games aye. He doesn't even bother pretending to try now, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran was a decent player pre-Pardew. Maybe it's not too late for him. Obertan, on the other hand, has never been good at football in his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Both are somewhere between poor and utterly shit. Only one of them has any talent whatsoever and it certainly isn't Alsoran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is the single most unproductive individual to have ever donned a NUFC shirt in my living memory. He is not so much crap as offering absolutely nothing to any side he is picked in. If he is picked on the left, you know for sure you may as well write off that side of the pitch from a production point of view, and there is not even an offset by making that flank stronger defensively either. On the scale of players I would want out of this club,only Williamson should be higher priority to flush away. You mustn't remember Andreas Andersson. I do, and I even put him ahead of Gouffran, ffs even Frank Pingel, Billy Askew, Wayne Ferreday et al offered something, some glimmer of hope that they would possibly effect the game in a positive way. Gouffran doesn't, you are playing with 10 men once he steps a foot on the pitch. Obertan has had his moments, they are very rare but he has them in certain games. There are no moments now for Goffran, it's debatable in my mind that he was ever any good or just pardewed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran bundled in some goals for us to be fair to the shite bastard. Obertan hasn't even managed that. Both should be given a one way ticket to the glue factory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I can imagine every manager looks at Obertan and thinks 'There is a good player in there somewhere, I have to at least try and persevere to improve them'. In fairness to Obertan, during Pardew's miracle 6 game run last season, he actually looked somewhat dangerous. Like enough to actually make the opposition bother to mark him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Anything remotely positive come out of this? Colback won't be captain? That's about it. Also don't think it was as negative as some are saying. Just a lot of standard coach speak. Ah man, we're back to 'all managers say this stuff' are we? Did Pardew even leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Unfortunately it looks like we are going to have to let McClaren figure out what we all already n Know a about some of these players. I guess as a new manager he's come in and hasn't held anything against any of them from previous terrible play. Fair dos I guess. Just hope he doesn't stick with any failures too long for his sake. If he manages to bring any of the incumbents back from the dead I'll be amazed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is just a lower level striker, who because he's out of his depth in the Premier League in that position, gets used as a utility player. He's maybe a 10 goal a season striker in the French league and a 5-8 goal a season striker in the premier league. He isn't good enough, but he's a professional guy who works hard and does what he's told. I think that's why managers like him and use him. He just doesn't have any left wing, or midfield abilities at all and it has been a big part of what has prevented us having functioning wing play for a long time. It really is a miracle we didn't get relegated last season. For most of the season half the team was either injured, sold, or sent away early for surgery. We had Pardew for half the season and Carver for the other half. Our defence is terrible, our midfield creativity none existent and our strikers talented but erratic. We couldn't have cooked a relegation stew better if we'd been trying for it. It really highlights that there's some truly awful teams in the league, some that were better organised than us, but with so little talent in the squad it didn't even matter. For all the talk of how awful the squad is at times, I think it's been a balance of squad deficiencies and terrible management. I wonder if any players we've written off will come good under McClaren, not because he's amazing, just because he's not Pardew or Carver. I'm hoping we can see more from players like Anita, Sissoko and Cabella for a start (Not that anyone has written them off in particular). It just seemed like Sissoko got picked in all different positions and worse with Anita and Cabella, where it seems like Pardew wouldn't play them much, because they weren't 6'2 with the build of Rugby players. I don't expect miracles from McClaren, but I'm hoping to see a more Football based approach. Crystal Palace fans may be hailing Pardew now, but just look at the players he wants to sign. Connor Wickham has been bought for nothing other than being a big guy, while Dwight Gayle, a player with a better record will be sidelined for not having the necessary physique. Pardew is just such an abortion of a manager, that I'm just hoping McClaren will be a relief from that, even if it's only a small relief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Link for anyone who missed the phone in earlier. Starts at 35:00 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr5kq Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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