nufc4eva Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 i think it's going to take time to put any sort of style in place and right the wrongs of Pardew. What is clear is that we are trying to pass more and retain the ball but it's not quite working. Defensive and organisation is major concern as we seem to get ripped open and too many gaps Can't believe people don't think it's the absolute priority for us to close up shop for the next few games, get them used to bring solid and not conceding hopefully while grabbing a point or two along the way. The alternative is mental, we'll get torn to shreds in at least 3 or 4 of the next few games and we'll be in tatters at the end of it. Confidence will be in tatters if we get a few hidings. We absolutely need to work on shape and closing gaps when opposition have ball as we look clueless. We need to hunt in packs to force mistakes and be ready to counter. We give teams too much space across midfield and allow them down the wings. When we lose it Colback and Anita should work either side with full backs and wijnaldum should drop in centre with wingers closing down full backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 i think it's going to take time to put any sort of style in place and right the wrongs of Pardew. What is clear is that we are trying to pass more and retain the ball but it's not quite working. Defensive and organisation is major concern as we seem to get ripped open and too many gaps Can't believe people don't think it's the absolute priority for us to close up shop for the next few games, get them used to bring solid and not conceding hopefully while grabbing a point or two along the way. The alternative is mental, we'll get torn to shreds in at least 3 or 4 of the next few games and we'll be in tatters at the end of it. Confidence will be in tatters if we get a few hidings. We absolutely need to work on shape and closing gaps when opposition have ball as we look clueless. We need to hunt in packs to force mistakes and be ready to counter. We give teams too much space across midfield and allow them down the wings. When we lose it Colback and Anita should work either side with full backs and wijnaldum should drop in centre with wingers closing down full backs. Could not agree more. I think he's underestimated the state of the team in a defensive capacity since he arrived and he's got to get a handle on it. It's staggering really, you'd have thought one of these smart cunt coaches he brought in would have looked at the goals we've let in over the last 4 years and thought, "well, we'd better put a stop to that shit". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 We don't compete well enough in midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Can't compete in the air. 2 games in, conceded 3 goals from headers/crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 So much for relieving pressure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 what are you talking about/who are you talking to? what you've said in the last 3 posts is absolutely correct btw but what would your solution be? seems like most people here just want to continue with what we've got on the assumption that the pardew factor will wear off in time it won't, it needs eradicating from the club with better personnel selections, tactical setups and an acknowledgement that we have the worst defence in the league, or at least one of the worst 2 or 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 would rather he had spent £25m on defenders and only £10m on a striker if he was that limited by funds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I saw about 40 minutes yesterday. Before Janmaat's sending off I was impressed by how determined we were to pass the ball around. The game was lost after the sending off, as Swansea away is the worst game to be down to 10 men. Apart from Obertan, McClaren's team selections have been ok. As the season gets going Aarons and Perez will find their way into the side, hopefully Thauvin will sign too. It's a horrible start, fixtures wise but there are some hopeful signs that a team is being rebuilt on the right foundations. The defence remains a concern of course. Sorry just don't agree one bit with what your saying. Team selection five players in that team should be nowhere near that pitch as first choice (Anita. Colback, Hiadara, Colo, Oberton) and you could add a 6th as there is noway Cisse should be playing as a lone striker. Determined to pass the ball around do you mean sideways and backwards as there are very few forward passes of the ball. I do agree about the defence but that's no surprisse when 50% of it as I said should be nowhere near first team choices and more worrying is that the alternatives are not up to scratch either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I saw about 40 minutes yesterday. Before Janmaat's sending off I was impressed by how determined we were to pass the ball around. The game was lost after the sending off, as Swansea away is the worst game to be down to 10 men. Apart from Obertan, McClaren's team selections have been ok. As the season gets going Aarons and Perez will find their way into the side, hopefully Thauvin will sign too. It's a horrible start, fixtures wise but there are some hopeful signs that a team is being rebuilt on the right foundations. The defence remains a concern of course. Sorry just don't agree one bit with what your saying. Team selection five players in that team should be nowhere near that pitch as first choice (Anita. Colback, Hiadara, Colo, Oberton) and you could add a 6th as there is noway Cisse should be playing as a lone striker. Determined to pass the ball around do you mean sideways and backwards as there are very few forward passes of the ball. I do agree about the defence but that's no surprisse when 50% of it as I said should be nowhere near first team choices and more worrying is that the alternatives are not up to scratch either. that's true but who would have been in for colo, haidara, anita/colback? we just don't have the squad. obertan I agree with as there are 2 or 3 players should easily better than him in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 what are you talking about/who are you talking to? what you've said in the last 3 posts is absolutely correct btw but what would your solution be? seems like most people here just want to continue with what we've got on the assumption that the pardew factor will wear off in time it won't, it needs eradicating from the club with better personnel selections, tactical setups and an acknowledgement that we have the worst defence in the league, or at least one of the worst 2 or 3 I'm someone who doesn't believe in the "Pardew factor". IMO Pardew as a PL manager based on results is a 4. McClaren a 5. To me, nothing changed for me. The problem is still here. Mike Ashley. Honestly, we need a CB, LB at the very least to become a solid unit. Won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I saw about 40 minutes yesterday. Before Janmaat's sending off I was impressed by how determined we were to pass the ball around. The game was lost after the sending off, as Swansea away is the worst game to be down to 10 men. Apart from Obertan, McClaren's team selections have been ok. As the season gets going Aarons and Perez will find their way into the side, hopefully Thauvin will sign too. It's a horrible start, fixtures wise but there are some hopeful signs that a team is being rebuilt on the right foundations. The defence remains a concern of course. Sorry just don't agree one bit with what your saying. Team selection five players in that team should be nowhere near that pitch as first choice (Anita. Colback, Hiadara, Colo, Oberton) and you could add a 6th as there is noway Cisse should be playing as a lone striker. Determined to pass the ball around do you mean sideways and backwards as there are very few forward passes of the ball. I do agree about the defence but that's no surprisse when 50% of it as I said should be nowhere near first team choices and more worrying is that the alternatives are not up to scratch either. that's true but who would have been in for colo, haidara, anita/colback? we just don't have the squad. obertan I agree with as there are 2 or 3 players should easily better than him in that position. obertan should never have been allowed to play games while aarons is alive and colo should never have been handed the captaincy and a new contract thus basically guaranteeing him a place at the heart of the defence colback and anita should not be starting together in midfield and cisse should not be playing as a lone striker with a perfect lone striker just signed sitting getting angry on the bench in terms of what mclaren has got wrong/right so far he's not doing fucking great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 what are you talking about/who are you talking to? what you've said in the last 3 posts is absolutely correct btw but what would your solution be? seems like most people here just want to continue with what we've got on the assumption that the pardew factor will wear off in time it won't, it needs eradicating from the club with better personnel selections, tactical setups and an acknowledgement that we have the worst defence in the league, or at least one of the worst 2 or 3 I'm someone who doesn't believe in the "Pardew factor". IMO Pardew as a PL manager based on results is a 4. McClaren a 5. To me, nothing changed for me. The problem is still here. Mike Ashley. Honestly, we need a CB, LB at the very least to become a solid unit. Won't happen. go to the mike ashley thread then we're discussing mclaren here the same way we discussed everything that pardew got wrong when he manager, ashley might place restrictions but it's their job to rise above those restrictions and improve what they have mclaren, like pardew, knew what he was signing up for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 "Their job is to rise above those restrictions" It's not like. I can berate McClaren for being bang average but I can't be bothered. I don't see us dramatically improving the way some others do if we stick with the core of: Colo Mbemba Anita Colback Cisse I'd be tempted to try fistpumps eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 "Their job is to rise above those restrictions" It's not like. I can berate McClaren for being bang average but I can't be bothered. I don't see us dramatically improving the way some others do if we stick with the core of: Colo Mbemba Anita Colback Cisse I'd be tempted to try fistpumps eventually. is this a joke? firstly what's the job of a football manager if not to get the best out of what he's handed to work with? secondly bolded you've highlighted everything that mclaren specifically is getting wrong through his own choices he's the only one on the planet who would choose this core ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. I assume you mean Mitrovic? Who had more touches and won more headers in 13 minutes, than Cisse did in 60'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. he's chosen to back colo and offer him a new contract when everyone knows his finished he's chosen to play anita and colback as protection for one of the worst defences the league has seen in the last 2-3 years, not even pardew was this fucking stupid he's chosen to play obertan ahead of genuine talent like aarons and perez he's chosen to play cisse as a lone striker which he's been poor (at best) at in his entire 4 years at the club these are steve mclarens choices, not mike ashleys - there are alternatives to all of them, some of them tactical rather than personnel, but there are alternatives, at the moment he's making a lot of wrong decisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. I assume you mean Mitrovic? Who had more touches and won more headers in 13 minutes, than Cisse did in 60'? I'm not disagreeing with you ffs. There's just a chance he won't be the answer. The sooner we find out the better obviously. But overall the squad isn't where it needs to be. Any manager will make mistakes, especially a bang average one. I'm sure Cisse is for the hook soon, Obertan too. It's that midfield and Colo that I think might take a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. I assume you mean Mitrovic? Who had more touches and won more headers in 13 minutes, than Cisse did in 60'? I'm not disagreeing with you ffs. There's just a chance he won't be the answer. The sooner we find out the better obviously. But overall the squad isn't where it needs to be. Any manager will make mistakes, especially a bang average one. I'm sure Cisse is for the hook soon, Obertan too. It's that midfield and Colo that I think might take a long time. You said yourself it's difficult to take Cisse out when the replacement is an untested kid. Yet the untested kid performed better in 1/4 of the same pitch time. Doesn't sound like a difficult choice at all. Nobody on this board could make a case for not bringing Mitrovic into the team at any point. Yet here you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Untested kid with more CL experience than most of the squad. Lerl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Untested kid with more CL experience than most of the squad. Lerl. Cisse was fucking around in Ligue 2 with Metz around the age of 21, I think. So yeah, hard decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 With Mitrovic, I think it's probably a question of fitness rather than lack of experience. Certainly, if he can't replace Cisse as main striker we'll be in trouble. Cisse doesn't have the all round ability or the heart for that role. A CB who can replace Colo, and a CM who can replace Anita should be the priorities. Anita is doing okay, but doesn't protect the back four well enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 With Mitrovic, I think it's probably a question of fitness rather than lack of experience. Certainly, if he can't replace Cisse as main striker we'll be in trouble. Cisse doesn't have the all round ability or the heart for that role. A CB who can replace Colo, and a CM who can replace Anita should be the priorities. Anita is doing okay, but doesn't protect the back four well enough. As opposed to the Jack "iron curtain" Colback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Ideally neither of them (or Tiote) would be in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Our central midfield is an absolute joke. Colback/Anita are both crap at most things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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