midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. i think they've been working on not conceding as a team but it's also at the expense of being able to worry the other team atm as well keep on working on that through the next two games, try not to get obliterated by citeh and chelsea and then he really has to start opening things up like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. i think they've been working on not conceding as a team but it's also at the expense of being able to worry the other team atm as well keep on working on that through the next two games, try not to get obliterated by citeh and chelsea and then he really has to start opening things up like After 8 games we'll have played 6 of the top 8 sides last season, that's a bit rough. It'll even out obviously but he'll get time from me, early results aren't great but he could do with a win or 2. We've won 2 games of football since the 31st of Jan. It's baby steps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Look at West Ham though against the top 8, I don't see why it has to be baby steps. I think there's a few positives to take from our games so far (excluding Swansea) but all in all we've been pretty unimpressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I just don't buy this shit about having to bed in and the 'good football will come later', it just seems like a shit excuse for not taking the game to the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I just don't buy this shit about having to bed in and the 'good football will come later', it just seems like a shit excuse for not taking the game to the opposition. that's just a half-empty, half-full way of looking at the same thing none of us really know what mclaren is really thinking at this stage, imo he's either come into the club and seen what an utter shambles it is from top to bottom and decided to build slowly starting by not conceding millions of goals and getting raped week in week out or his natural inclination is to be dour and defensive which some seem to think it is in fairness to mclaren 'building from the back' is a tried and tested strategy of both his generation of managers and the biggest influence on his career, fergie...worth remembering how fragile the confidence is/was of a lot of our senior players tbh, as much as anything that's probably not something you can just change overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 McClaren was definitely a build from the back kind of manager when at Boro. To be fair, given our defensive displays in recent years he would be daft not to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymac1966 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Attacking football was promised what has followed is demonstrably an 8 man defensive setup. Outplayed outpassed outshot and outthought. Relegation looms as large as ever and by March we will be a laughing stock once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Apart from the first match where we didn't at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thought it would take a bit longer than this for the massively negative posts to start creeping into every thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thought it would take a bit longer than this for the massively negative posts to start creeping into every thread. I don't think the majority are posting massively negative stuff tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Oh I know, just started noticing the 'we'll get relegated', 'McClaren is hyper negative', 'we shouldn't have signed Mitrovic' stuff a bit more than I expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Steve McCunten the useless cunt is taking us down, the cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Steve McCunten the useless cunt is taking us down, the cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's night and day to me, compared to last season (which I recognise is no benchmark). When we get our first win, a few might calm down a touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I just don't buy this s*** about having to bed in and the 'good football will come later', it just seems like a s*** excuse for not taking the game to the opposition. that's just a half-empty, half-full way of looking at the same thing none of us really know what mclaren is really thinking at this stage, imo he's either come into the club and seen what an utter shambles it is from top to bottom and decided to build slowly starting by not conceding millions of goals and getting raped week in week out or his natural inclination is to be dour and defensive which some seem to think it is in fairness to mclaren 'building from the back' is a tried and tested strategy of both his generation of managers and the biggest influence on his career, fergie...worth remembering how fragile the confidence is/was of a lot of our senior players tbh, as much as anything that's probably not something you can just change overnight Well summed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Valencia were pretty much a "build from the back" team the year Cathro was there, and I suspect NUFC was looking to get a bit of that when they signed him. To Cathro's credit, Valencia were an exceptionally hard team to break. That said, the only defensive thing I have spotted in McClaren (didn't see the Arsenal game), is the Colback-Anita pairing, and having two mids sit back isn't hardly something out of this world, it would help if at least one of them was more creative though. I think it's too soon to really appraise the manager's intent. A transfer window where you signed one defender and three attacking players doesn't scream "the new Fat Sam" to me, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Valencia were pretty much a "build from the back" team the year Cathro was there, and I suspect NUFC was looking to get a bit of that when they signed him. To Cathro's credit, Valencia were an exceptionally hard team to break. That said, the only defensive thing I have spotted in McClaren (didn't see the Arsenal game), is the Colback-Anita pairing, and having two mids sit back isn't hardly something out of this world, it would help if at least one of them was more creative though. I think it's too soon to really appraise the manager's intent. A transfer window where you signed one defender and three attacking players doesn't scream "the new Fat Sam" to me, though. Going down marra 9-1 FTM, divn't you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 it's tough reading some of this. Looking at the positives, we've just conceded 1 (deflected) goal against two of the best sides in the country. We looked solid for the majority of the two games and finally look like we can defend as a team again. Lets see how the next two games go. International break has come at an awful time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. This. Everyone was crying out for us to sort out the defence during the whole summer - we have finally done that. And now we're awful because we've not scored 20 goals in our opening four games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thought it would take a bit longer than this for the massively negative posts to start creeping into every thread. Despite the results there have been many positives to take from the first few games. This is the internet though, and the Internet is mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. This. Everyone was crying out for us to sort out the defence during the whole summer - we have finally done that. And now we're awful because we've not scored 20 goals in our opening four games. I think it's very early to be saying we've "sorted" the defence mind. He's got the entire team working on protecting them and the moment they get exposed to fend for themselves they still look pretty shaky to me. They're not a back 4 unit imo, very far from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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