NG32 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Macca is a coach and as much as he can set the team up, pick players and ask them to play a certain way im not sure he has the skills to get the best out of players. We need someone who can slam a door, tip a bin over and dish out some home truths, someone who can lift a deflated mood in the changing rooms. Its dead on its arse and Macca aint going to be able to revive it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want. Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 We need two or three relegations really, even then there's no guarantees. Best thing we could do is give up TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Could start a new club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a shit situation, he will still do shit. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. don't think anyone is expecting us to get someone of klopp's character but if we went and appointed someone within the motivational and tactical ranges of mcclaren (at zero apparently) and klopp then we'd be able to steer ourselves clear of relegation mcclaren is the wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time sadly, it's never going to work, might as well call it now - if he gets half new team he might manage to keep us up, maybe, but we'll be back here again sooner rather than later Who though? The whole thing stinks at this stage. Someone who was widely seen as a relative managerial coup for us has been appointed by Villa and looks like he has been unable to change a thing. Maybe time will prove me wrong on that one, but once the core stinks it takes miracles to overcome that. You either get an inspirational figure like a Klopp, or even a Pulis (although obviously very different in style), or you go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a shit situation, he will still do shit. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. don't think anyone is expecting us to get someone of klopp's character but if we went and appointed someone within the motivational and tactical ranges of mcclaren (at zero apparently) and klopp then we'd be able to steer ourselves clear of relegation mcclaren is the wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time sadly, it's never going to work, might as well call it now - if he gets half new team he might manage to keep us up, maybe, but we'll be back here again sooner rather than later Who though? The whole thing stinks at this stage. Someone who was widely seen as a relative managerial coup for us has been appointed by Villa and looks like he has been unable to change a thing. Maybe time will prove me wrong on that one, but once the core stinks it takes miracles to overcome that. You either get an inspirational figure like a Klopp, or even a Pulis (although obviously very different in style), or you go down. I'll be honest, I have no idea who I would even go for at this point in time but there will be a manager out there who is not at the level of Klopp but still capable of inspiring players and making tough decisions, both areas where SMC is failing badly. My gut feeling is it would need to be a recent ex-pro who has standing in the game and could come in and call a spade a spade, a Viera type basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Could start a new club. FC Geordie Nation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a shit situation, he will still do shit. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. Obviously we are never going to get a Klopp but it's perfectly possible to make an appointment similar to Watford in Quique Flores. Of course that means actually appointing an MD who has some football background not an accountant or casino manager. It's quite staggering how Ashley keeps getting this wrong despite us getting worse and worse every year under this disastrous policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yeah, you're probably right with the ex player thing. Whilst I stuck up for McClaren in the summer, it was the Vieira link that really got me excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want. Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated We've been relegated recently, bounced back with ease and now ended up in exactly the same position except with foreigners who seemingly now don't care rather than overpaid british players who couldn't really be arsed. Yes, Ashley is the biggest problem of all and his on going managerial appointments are fucking tragic but how many relegations should we suffer? If we go down, we might not runaway with the championship again and if we do go down, and Ashley stays, do we then want another relegation to league 1 to see if that makes him sell the club? I personally just don't think wishing the worst on us is the way forward in sheer hope Ashley eventually caves in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yeah, you're probably right with the ex player thing. Whilst I stuck up for McClaren in the summer, it was the Vieira link that really got me excited. Oh yeah without a doubt, I think everyone was jumping when the Vieira talk was in the air. As for McClaren I tried to give him a chance based on the positive views from Derby forums, but my initial impression of him being a boring soft old fart seems to have been the correct one. If he stays we're going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples. Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want. Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated We've been relegated recently, bounced back with ease and now ended up in exactly the same position except with foreigners who seemingly now don't care rather than overpaid british players who couldn't really be arsed. Yes, Ashley is the biggest problem of all and his on going managerial appointments are fucking tragic but how many relegations should we suffer? If we go down, we might not runaway with the championship again and if we do go down, and Ashley stays, do we then want another relegation to league 1 to see if that makes him sell the club? I personally just don't think wishing the worst on us is the way forward in sheer hope Ashley eventually caves in. We would need to be down to League 1 at least, if not lower. Basically just giving up on NUFC and waiting is the way to go. Or failing that, try to ignore the bigger picture and just watch the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 We need someone like Aslan to inspire this bunch of weak minded fools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's probably been pointed out - but I like how the preview reads "Re:Steve McClaren: "Nob..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRon Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 need another title change I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players. Not having that like. We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted. Maybe if we appointed a decent fucking manager with decent fucking credentials and decent fucking experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players. Not having that like. We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted. Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again. That was what I was getting at in the next part of my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players. Not having that like. We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted. Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again. Appointments have been twatful from the start of his regime, not just starting with Pardew. On the whole, what you've said is bang on though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Twatful indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players. Not having that like. We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted. Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again. On the whole, what you've said is bang on though. Cheers, that means a lot coming from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players. Not having that like. We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted. Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again. On the whole, what you've said is bang on though. Cheers, that means a lot coming from you. Not always a good thing to be of the same opinion as me, as you will be fully aware of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job. It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager. He gets paid for this. Fucking baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job. It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager. He gets paid for this. Fucking baffling. Football punditry and the GOP have a lot in common: cognitive dissonance is de rigeur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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