The Bard of Byker Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A shag's a shag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 One of the way propagandists get away with rewriting history's worst foibles is by normalizing, in turn minimizing the impact of, any given atrocity, and then by acting as if even to debate these points is passé and unbecoming of an educated electorate. This is Cronky and his persistence of downplaying, and then laughing off, of McClaren's rejection of this job not once but twice, which to most of the people following this club was rightfully shocking behaviour, and needs to be brought up again and again so as not to have it rewritten as unimportant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 TBF, we haven't appointed the bloke yet. Plenty of time for it to go wrong and us end up with a Carver/Kinnear dream ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 TBF, we haven't appointed the bloke yet. Plenty of time for it to go wrong and us end up with a Carver/Kinnear dream ticket. http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bush_to_cheney.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Kaveh Solhekol tells #SSNHQ that it looks like it's between Slaven Bilic and Marcelo Bielsa for the #WHUFC job: We have Carver and Mcclaren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 We made it look like we were desperate for McClaren - it was him and no-one else. I would have thought that would have given him some advantage in the negotiations so I would hope that would mean he could bring in his own staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 One of the way propagandists get away with rewriting history's worst foibles is by normalizing, in turn minimizing the impact of, any given atrocity, and then by acting as if even to debate these points is passé and unbecoming of an educated electorate. This is Cronky and his persistence of downplaying, and then laughing off, of McClaren's rejection of this job not once but twice, which to most of the people following this club was rightfully shocking behaviour, and needs to be brought up again and again so as not to have it rewritten as unimportant. But it was unimportant, I tell you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How do we know he didn't 'reject' the role knowing he'd get a pay off and Ashley having to pay nowt. The game is rigged from the off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How do we know he didn't 'reject' the role knowing he'd get a pay off and Ashley having to pay nowt. The game is rigged from the off. Bobby Robson rejected the job twice. After Keegan left, and before we came back with an improved offer when he was actually appointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How do we know he was offered the job twice and turned it down? Internet rumour and bullshit. McClaren has Said nothing about it officially and neither has the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Even so, big difference between being turned down by the then Barcelona manager, and the then Middlesbrough manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 One of the way propagandists get away with rewriting history's worst foibles is by normalizing, in turn minimizing the impact of, any given atrocity, and then by acting as if even to debate these points is passé and unbecoming of an educated electorate. This is Cronky and his persistence of downplaying, and then laughing off, of McClaren's rejection of this job not once but twice, which to most of the people following this club was rightfully shocking behaviour, and needs to be brought up again and again so as not to have it rewritten as unimportant. I've probably got this wrong, but hasn't wor Dutchie turned us down 3 times? Once after Pardew left, another with 3 games to go and the last time just before being dismissed by Derby? Regardless of how many times, it's indicative of our desperation that a manager can turn us down more than once in such a short timeframe and still be essentially the only consideration for the job. Like others have said though, he's our best appointment for a few years and I'm happy to back him for now, am getting sick and tired of constantly feeling negative towards the club we all love - plus he seems like a nice bloke who'll walk away if he can't hack it. Some of his teams have played decent, expansive stuff over the years and I'm hoping he adopts a similar approach here. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Carver, Stone and co were ditched though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Even so, big difference between being turned down by the then Barcelona manager, and the then Middlesbrough manager. Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 One of the way propagandists get away with rewriting history's worst foibles is by normalizing, in turn minimizing the impact of, any given atrocity, and then by acting as if even to debate these points is passé and unbecoming of an educated electorate. This is Cronky and his persistence of downplaying, and then laughing off, of McClaren's rejection of this job not once but twice, which to most of the people following this club was rightfully shocking behaviour, and needs to be brought up again and again so as not to have it rewritten as unimportant. I've probably got this wrong, but hasn't wor Dutchie turned us down 3 times? Once after Pardew left, another with 3 games to go and the last time just before being dismissed by Derby? Regardless of how many times, it's indicative of our desperation that a manager can turn us down more than once in such a short timeframe and still be essentially the only consideration for the job. Like others have said though, he's our best appointment for a few years and I'm happy to back him for now, am getting sick and tired of constantly feeling negative towards the club we all love - plus he seems like a nice bloke who'll walk away if he can't hack it. Some of his teams have played decent, expansive stuff over the years and I'm hoping he adopts a similar approach here. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Carver, Stone and co were ditched though. Absolutely spot on. With regards to turning us down, I presume he did turn us down with 3 games to go as he wouldn't risk leaving Derby for the risk of being relegated with us. Can anybody blame him for that if this is the case? I certainly can't. Would you quit your job to join a company who may go bankrupt in three weeks? I presume that Derby's pay-out to him will cease if he takes on another role in x amount of time, as is reported to be normal practice. I'm willing to give him the chance, as I would with any other manager - let him do the talking with his team selection/style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Him turning us down twice so recently reflects far worse on us than it does him. He obviously felt Derby County was a better bet, how pathetic is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Him turning us down twice so recently reflects far worse on us than it does him. He obviously felt Derby County was a better bet, how pathetic is that? He thought Boro was a better bet than us 11 years ago...on the back of 3 top 5 finishes. Maybe he's just an honourable bloke? Both times he's left one job for another (Boro to England & Twente to Wolfsburg), he'd pretty much peaked as far as the clubs were concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How do we know he didn't 'reject' the role knowing he'd get a pay off and Ashley having to pay nowt. The game is rigged from the off. Bobby Robson rejected the job twice. After Keegan left, and before we came back with an improved offer when he was actually appointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Him turning us down twice so recently reflects far worse on us than it does him. He obviously felt Derby County was a better bet, how pathetic is that? He thought Boro was a better bet than us 11 years ago...on the back of 3 top 5 finishes. When was this? Have I missed something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Was he not approached at the same time Brewce was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Hmm, according to this, maybe he was: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/footballleague/article2314731.ece Didn't think my opinion of Freddy Shepherd's ability to pick a suitable manager could get any lower but you live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How do we know he didn't 'reject' the role knowing he'd get a pay off and Ashley having to pay nowt. The game is rigged from the off. Bobby Robson rejected the job twice. After Keegan left, and before we came back with an improved offer when he was actually appointed. Bobby Robson was at Barcelona. Steve McClaren was at Derby County. Just let that sink in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ameobi > Riviere Let that sink in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It should also be noted that there's a big difference between rejecting the opportunity outright and simply rejecting a derisory salary in negotiation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I find this holiday thing laughable and indicative of everything. He probably asked the club to cover his excess for the holiday and they told him to dance. We flew Tino in on a Saturday morning and he played against Middleborough the same day ffs. This cunt, if he had anything about him, should have made a huge deal of cancelling his holiday and getting stuck into the job but nah, can't miss the last couple of days all inclusive. Cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Don't think it makes much difference tbh. I'd imagine a lot of managers are away on holiday now. Makes just as much sense for him to finish his holidays then come in and straight into it than sign then go back on holiday anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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