KaKa Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly Allardyce is persisting with this 'stop the opposition playing' s****. In the paper today he blames the Wigan defeat on them having a days extra rest... I think what he is trying to do is making us a counter attacking team, but we do not have the pace or directness in our midfield or attack to play this way at the moment. We need at least one player with these attributes to use as an outlet. Martins has the pace but isn't direct enough. For example Villa have Young and Agbonlahor who set up most of their attacks. Man City use Petrov a great deal in this respect. Portsmouth have the likes of Benjani and Utaka. At Bolton Sam had the likes of Diouf and Anelka. We currently do not have the personnel for this style of football. If we could just add the right kind of playeer or two with these attributes we ccould see a great deal of improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly Allardyce is persisting with this 'stop the opposition playing' s****. In the paper today he blames the Wigan defeat on them having a days extra rest... I think what he is trying to do is making us a counter attacking team, but we do not have the pace or directness in our midfield or attack to play this way at the moment. We need at least one player with these attributes to use as an outlet. Martins has the pace but isn't direct enough. For example Villa have Young and Agbonlahor who set up most of their attacks. Man City use Petrov a great deal in this respect. Portsmouth have the likes of Benjani and Utaka. At Bolton Sam had the likes of Diouf and Anelka. We currently do not have the personnel for this style of football. If we could just add the right kind of playeer or two with these attributes we ccould see a great deal of improvement. if he's trying to play counter attacking football why the hell did he buy Barton, Smith and Viduka these players plus Owen shouldn't be anywhere near the team if that's what we're trying to achieve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly Allardyce is persisting with this 'stop the opposition playing' s****. In the paper today he blames the Wigan defeat on them having a days extra rest... I think what he is trying to do is making us a counter attacking team, but we do not have the pace or directness in our midfield or attack to play this way at the moment. We need at least one player with these attributes to use as an outlet. Martins has the pace but isn't direct enough. For example Villa have Young and Agbonlahor who set up most of their attacks. Man City use Petrov a great deal in this respect. Portsmouth have the likes of Benjani and Utaka. At Bolton Sam had the likes of Diouf and Anelka. We currently do not have the personnel for this style of football. If we could just add the right kind of playeer or two with these attributes we ccould see a great deal of improvement. if he's trying to play counter attacking football why the hell did he buy Barton, Smith and Viduka these players plus Owen shouldn't be anywhere near the team if that's what we're trying to achieve I agree completely. I think it is safe to say that the summer transfer window was a bit of a disaster and I think a lot of it had to do with the change in ownership. Barton and Smith could actually work in such a system, in the same way Hamaan and Johnson do at City i.e. as the hard working central midfield paie, but where we failed miserably was adding pace and guile to the wings and attack. Viduka was a poor signing for an Allardyce set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sadly Allardyce is persisting with this 'stop the opposition playing' shite. In the paper today he blames the Wigan defeat on them having a days extra rest... He's an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 "The reality is that you can't play every game and go out just to attack and open yourself up," Allardyce said. "When you go out and see the Premiership in its entirety, and you go and watch a game like Manchester City-Liverpool and see City set up at home and say we are not going to get beaten. "Well, Sven is getting the headlines, and he is putting up a 4-5-1. I watched the whole game live and he didn't let his side go out to attack. Apart from Martin Petrov down the left, Simon Ireland down the right, Darius Vassell up front, no one else got anywhere near the Liverpool 18-yard box. "But he had got nine wins and two draws at home. So you know the balance of play in many occasions is that he sets up a team not to get beaten against a Liverpool side that if you try to attack, will punish you and win you the game." What he fails to mention there is that Sven's team don't hoof the ball 50 yds upfield as soon as they win posession. They attempt to move the ball accurately and quickly to the front men to hit on the counter which is a million miles from Sam's direct football philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 "The reality is that you can't play every game and go out just to attack and open yourself up," Allardyce said. "When you go out and see the Premiership in its entirety, and you go and watch a game like Manchester City-Liverpool and see City set up at home and say we are not going to get beaten. "Well, Sven is getting the headlines, and he is putting up a 4-5-1. I watched the whole game live and he didn't let his side go out to attack. Apart from Martin Petrov down the left, Simon Ireland down the right, Darius Vassell up front, no one else got anywhere near the Liverpool 18-yard box. "But he had got nine wins and two draws at home. So you know the balance of play in many occasions is that he sets up a team not to get beaten against a Liverpool side that if you try to attack, will punish you and win you the game." What he fails to mention there is that Sven's team don't hoof the ball 50 yds upfield as soon as they win posession. They attempt to move the ball accurately and quickly to the front men to hit on the counter which is a million miles from Sam's direct football philosophy. I can't believe he has the temerity to have a little dig at Sven. What a muppet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Really disappointed with those quotes, if they are accurate. It's becoming harder and harder to defend Sam's approach at the moment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 "Well, Sven is getting the headlines, and he is putting up a 4-5-1. I watched the whole game live and he didn't let his side go out to attack. Apart from Martin Petrov down the left, Simon Ireland down the right, Darius Vassell up front, no one else got anywhere near the Liverpool 18-yard box. Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Remember Robson's excellent counter-attacking team of a few years back? The only attacking players we had when playing from defence were Robert, Bellamy and Dyer (all lightning fast) but master tactician Allardyce doesn't seemed to have twigged how that worked either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sorry guys, i'm going to the game tonight... don't think we've ever won a league game that i've attended. We beat Mansfield once... I think thats it. (i am no soopafan.) Oh, and if that quote is 100% accurate... Sam can't even get "Simon Ireland"s name right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Fact is we do not seem to be able to sit back and defend for 90 mins, in our case attack is definitely the best for of defence. We won't have to worry tp much about breaking down City today though as they won't be coming here to sit back and try and hold us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Owen to score tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Owen to score tonight. Doon pink lane after the match ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Owen to score tonight. Owen will look like he is walking in quicksand against Micah Richards. I think this is a game where we ought to play Martins up front. He scored a great goal up at City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Play both Martins and Owen, Viduka is a statue and Smith is an injury doubt.. 4-4-2 Given Beye Cacapa Faye Enrique Milner Butt Zoggy Duff Martins Owen BENCH Harper Taylor Emre Geremi Viduka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Smith out can only be good news. Hopefully Carr can do a good job in CM! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Sorry guys, i'm going to the game tonight... don't think we've ever won a league game that i've attended. We beat Mansfield once... I think thats it. (i am no soopafan.) Oh, and if that quote is 100% accurate... Sam can't even get "Simon Ireland"s name right. Don't worry, i'm off too, and i've never seen us lose (in normal time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm really curious to see what happens if we lose this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm really curious to see what happens if we lose this. Not a lot, i wouldn't have thought. If we lose to Stoke aswell, then i'll be worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Given Beye Faye Cacapa Enrique Milner Butt Emre Duff Viduka Owen Subs: Harper Taylor Geremi Zoggy Martins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm really curious to see what happens if we lose this. I'm more curious to see what the reactions will be if we win, or if we turn them over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm really curious to see what happens if we lose this. I'm more curious to see what the reactions will be if we win, or if we turn them over. Sam needs more than just this game to get the support he needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Owen won't start according to The Mail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Woo gonna be my first match this season so expect us to get hammered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucasUnger Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Given Beye Faye Cacapa Enrique Milner Butt Emre Duff Viduka Owen Subs: Harper Taylor Geremi Zoggy Martins you would start duff instead of zoggy?`? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Tough game tonight but at home I see us doing alright if we keep a clean sheet until half time Really hope Enriques doing alright, we really need him back there so Zog or Duff can focus on their real games. I also want to see Duff come in for Zog tonight, give Charlie a rest. Given Beye Faye Cacapa Enrique Milner Butt Emre Duff Viduka Owen I say it'll be 2 - 1 to us tonight..............COME ON!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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