Kevin Keegan

[Chris_R]

3 minutes ago, Wullie said:

 

I suspect he was asked a question about it, such is the nature of these events.

Well then you answer a bit smarter.

 

"Do you like women pundits?

 

"I want good pundits who have played the game to the highest level so they can provide the best analysis, and apart from that it doesn't matter to me"

 

It isn't difficult. Unless actually, you just don't want women doing it.

[Coffee_Johnny]

3 hours ago, madras said:

And when you listen to many of the blokes who played at that level they talk utter shit about the game. Phil Thompson, Souness, Sutton ,Savage, Le tiss, Merson etc.Good anecdotes but tactically etc, utter crap.

 

I think it's about novelty, once the novelty wears off you hear what's being said not who says it. 

 

 

 

Spot on.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Biffa Bacon wouldn't of stood for all this namby pamby woke tripe, that I do know, been burst beaks all over the gaff

[St. Maximin]

I don’t agree with Keegan but as others have said it’s not helped by the way he’s said it and it’s likely a response to a question. He could probably have said the reverse for women’s football too if that helps. His opinions shouldn’t change our opinion of him or many other people for that matter. People who come from a different generation see the world differently, whether we like it or not, which won’t necessarily make them stupid or bad people. 
 

What’s all this about preferring male commentators to female commentators being misogynistic though? It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t be allowed to or will automatically be worse because they’re women, but I’d wager most people here would put few, if any, women as their favourite commentators? That’s not to say things might not change over time. 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by St. Maximin

[Coffee_Johnny]

30 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Biffa Bacon wouldn't of stood for all this namby pamby woke tripe, that I do know, been burst beaks all over the gaff

All this serious talk of sexism makes me think we need a laugh:

 

[BlueStar]

Wait, wait, let's get the opinion of the guy who stubbed out a cigar in someone's eye

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

It has to be said, of all the places to worry about lack of representation in the workplace, the art of talking complete and utter bollocks re twenty two men kicking a ball about strikes me as the least important of all.

[Wullie]

1 hour ago, Chris_R said:

Well then you answer a bit smarter.

 

"Do you like women pundits?

 

"I want good pundits who have played the game to the highest level so they can provide the best analysis, and apart from that it doesn't matter to me"

 

It isn't difficult. Unless actually, you just don't want women doing it.

 

When you say "answer a bit smarter", what you mean is that instead of offering his incredibly milquetoast opinion that women's international football and men's international football isn't particularly analogous, he should instead answer like a politician and essentially ignore the question in case someone goes on the internet and tells the teacher on him, even though several hundred people in Bristol have paid £40 a ticket to hear his genuine thoughts on a range of things.

[Anderson]

30 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

Wait, wait, let's get the opinion of the guy who stubbed out a cigar in someone's eye

 

 

If I was going to list his achievements, I’d probably not go for England manager in his case.  

[Dr.Spaceman]

Personally I think it's degrading to have designated women's spots on certain shows. It creates that false narrative in the minds of the shouty baldies that ALL women are only on those shows because they need a designated woman front and centre. So when you have the likes of Gabby Logan, Emma Hayes etc speaking complete sense about the mens game their Fosters/Carling/Stella-soaked brains cannot stand it.

 

We need to stop labelling people and just crack on. Surely we're at the stage now where the intelligent & educated among the media will rise to the top without the need for shortcuts.

[TRon]

12 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

He did, but just because they haven't played in Men's competition doesn't mean their analysis isn't valid. They have experience being in that position against an opposition, its not wild that they might have a relevant opinion on any moment or action.

I love KK but he has a bit of an antiquated view on the matter going off those few lines. But he is 72, so... Not going to change my opinion of him though.

And to an earlier point, not yours btw, about it not being a solution to any problem. It absolutely is, its solves the problem of women not being afforded equal status in a specific role. It solves the problem of women being separated and being seen as less worthy. Which is a problem. You cant accept Andy fucking Hinchcliffe getting commentating gigs and bemoan an England womens internationals getting them. 

 

Precisely. He's 72, things have changed a lot since his time, not all of them for the better, but without getting into deep philosophical or political arguments, it's hard to deny that the likes of Matt le Tiss or Tim Sherwood offer better insight than Alex Scott. She's got far more insight than half a dozen male pundits.

 

One thing which does piss me off though is when there's no distinction made when reporting games, either on TV or digital media. The amount of times I've seen Chelsea 2 Spurs 7 flash up on the screen and thought WTF? Just stick WSL in front of it so I don't think I'm getting a Premier league result.

[TheGuv]

Just now, TRon said:

 

Precisely. He's 72, things have changed a lot since his time, not all of them for the better, but without getting into deep philosophical or political arguments, it's hard to deny that the likes of Matt le Tiss or Tim Sherwood offer better insight than Alex Scott. She's got far more insight than half a dozen male pundits.

 

One thing which does piss me off though is when there's no distinction made when reporting games, either on TV or digital media. The amount of times I've seen Chelsea 2 Spurs 7 flash up on the screen and thought WTF? Just stick WSL in front of it so I don't think I'm getting a Premier league result.

My personal favourite is when WSL results are displayed before Championship and EFL results on the sky sports app. 
 

 

[Dr Jinx]

He's not wrong in his comments but he should know better how that would have been taken up.

 

It's an equality of outcome thing as opposed to equality of opportunity. Every pundit panel must contain a woman regardless if she has the personality of a turnip, or she has to be the presenter.

[TheGuv]

3 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

My personal favourite is when WSL results are displayed before Championship and EFL results on the sky sports app. 
 

 

Example from yesterday. Sorry like, but it’s madness.

 

 

[Dr Jinx]

I also think for the most part, that women are not funny / lack a sense of humour / make absolutely shit stand up comedians. Prove me wrong.

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I also think for the most part, that women are not funny / lack a sense of humour / make absolutely shit stand up comedians. Prove me wrong.

 

 

[gbandit]

Oh dear, things have taken a turn 

[Kid Icarus]

Had no idea it was this bad on here tbh

[Fezzle]

Theres obviously a place for good female pundits, less keen on commentators mind but when you see 2/3 and one male in the studio it does take it a bit far and does wind up people rightly or wrongly. I mean i have an irrational hatred of Carney but that doesnt mean other women cant bring decent debate to the match, particularly as my hatred of male pundits is far worse(Owen, Ferdinand, Richards, Murphy, Savage etc)

In terms of presenters i couldnt care less who it is as long as they do it well and ask the right questions, more Woods less that smug bloke in suit and trainers please. That said i generally turn the sound off if watching a match at home and often in the pub if its a non NUFC match i rarely take any notice of what they say anyway. It is amusing seeing a lot of lads in the pub kicking off over it mind

[Chris_R]

35 minutes ago, Wullie said:

 

When you say "answer a bit smarter", what you mean is that instead of offering his incredibly milquetoast opinion that women's international football and men's international football isn't particularly analogous, he should instead answer like a politician and essentially ignore the question in case someone goes on the internet and tells the teacher on him, even though several hundred people in Bristol have paid £40 a ticket to hear his genuine thoughts on a range of things.

 

I said he should have given a more careful view, but that was on the basis that what he's said isn't representative of how he actually feels.

 

If he really just doesn't want women commentating or doing analysis, he's absolutely within his rights to say as much. But as I said earlier, free speech isn't freedom from the consequences of that speech, so he can and should be held to account for saying such things. Which is what's happening in this thread.

[MrRaspberryJam]

15 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I also think for the most part, that women are not funny / lack a sense of humour / make absolutely shit stand up comedians. Prove me wrong.

 

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

Theres obviously a place for good female pundits, less keen on commentators mind but when you see 2/3 and one male in the studio it does take it a bit far and does wind up people rightly or wrongly. I mean i have an irrational hatred of Carney but that doesnt mean other women cant bring decent debate to the match, particularly as my hatred of male pundits is far worse(Owen, Ferdinand, Richards, Murphy, Savage etc)

In terms of presenters i couldnt care less who it is as long as they do it well and ask the right questions, more Woods less that smug bloke in suit and trainers please. That said i generally turn the sound off if watching a match at home and often in the pub if its a non NUFC match i rarely take any notice of what they say anyway. It is amusing seeing a lot of lads in the pub kicking off over it mind

 

It does feel sometimes that we are getting a cluster of women put in there to make up the numbers, and sometimes it's because they look a bit tasty rather than any insight they bring. There's a balance that needs to be struck, but as long as it's about the football and there's genuine passion for the game then great.

[Tiresias]

Me and this thread

 

[Groundhog63]

18 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I also think for the most part, that women are not funny / lack a sense of humour / make absolutely shit stand up comedians. Prove me wrong.

Caroline Ahern, Sarah Millican. 

 

Granted that Miranda was dire but funny women do exsist. Mrs Groundhog has a waspish sense of humour only matched, in both speed and power, by her right hook. 

 

If I want funny women, tho, I watch Mrs Brown's Boys. That mam is hilarious 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Groundhog63

[jackyboy]

Carney has one of the most irritating voices on the planet and I can't stand listening to her . I, like Kevin , can't stand female pundits. They are there because because of the TV diversity equality wokes. It makes it worse that virtually every sports program is lead by a female. It is happening in many sports and not just football. The women's game is nowhere near the quality of the men's game