dustynrg Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Cannot believe the amount of kneejerk on here, why don't we wait and see what Mort and Keegan say about this before we jump on the "we hate Cockneys" bandwagon? Negativity breeds negativity, we know that's true.... Sounds like another bit of lateral thinking from our owner, but oh I forgot he's just an idiot because he wears the black and white and sits with the fans, that'll be why he's a billionaire then. It's bad enough hearing that shite from the papers who hate us never mind our own fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 As strange as it is, this may very well be a good move, if he is willing to give up a no1 spot just to be on the staff here. We shall see, also will be interesting to see if this effects Big Al coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 As I said a couple of weeks ago when the topic started, if he's coming as assistant or coach and not DoF then I think it's a great move. Probably on my own there mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Cannot believe the amount of kneejerk on here, why don't we wait and see what Mort and Keegan say about this before we jump on the "we hate Cockneys" bandwagon? Negativity breeds negativity, we know that's true.... Sounds like another bit of lateral thinking from our owner, but oh I forgot he's just an idiot because he wears the black and white and sits with the fans, that'll be why he's a billionaire then. It's bad enough hearing that shite from the papers who hate us never mind our own fans. What bandwagon? Some people are unhappy, but most are just surprised. Including me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 BBC now saying coaching set up not DOF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 If Keegan's behind it, I'm behind it. Fuck it. NB: As long as Gus Poyet doesn't ever come within a million miles that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Really does sound like backroom as apposed to DOF. I hope so thats the only was i could see it working. I'd be delighted with Wise as number two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 take his name out of it and just look at what he's done and most would be quite happy to have him in the set up. it's the "wise factor" that will piss some off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Anyone know anything of the background between Keegan and Wise? If there is any of note. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 take his name out of it and just look at what he's done and most would be quite happy to have him in the set up. it's the "wise fector" that will piss some off. thats what is doing it for me cannot stand him but would support him if in a coaching role NOT DOF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Anyone know anything of the background between Keegan and Wise? If there is any of note. Picked him for England thats all i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 cannot stand him but would support him if in a coaching role NOT DOF Same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 About five years ago, I dreamt that we won a cup final, Nicky Butt scored the winner, while Clive Tyldesley kept saying Dennis Wise's name rather a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 pointing out what he has done with leeds is a bit pointless if he is coming in as DOF, two totally different roles. what experience does he have in a DOF role, is he up to date with latest methods and techniques in youth coaching and recruitment, is he familiar with latest fitness methodology ie from ac milan or US grid-iron, does he have a good list of contacts, does he know top scouts & coaches in all corners of the globe, has he expertise in running a club's off-pitch infastructure, does he have a dossier of all the best young talent in the world from bolivia to bosnia, has he shown an ability to network with disparate clubs and academies round the world, is he multi-lingual, have good knowledge of developing football nations like those in africa? those are the kind of things that are relevant to a DOF role and i don't see how Wise fits the criteria even slightly. if we're going down the DOF route then we should be bringing in the best in the business, Comolli at Spurs, Houllier with FFF, Monchi at Sevilla, Beiersdorfer at Hamburg etc. people who have a proven track record in that particular role. if he is coming in as an assistant manager than his success with leeds is relevant as he'll have input into coaching, team selection and man management so from that point of view he wouldn't be a bad choice. though even what is effective at League One level isn't neccessarily going to work when it comes to top flight footie. as for Wise the person, i couldn't care less what he's like as long as he is good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 There are plenty of people we hate in the football world but just because we hate them does not mean we would not have there here in heartbeat, Rooney, Ronaldo, Fergie just to name three. The fact is that if Wise can improve our staff and do a good job then we should welcome him with open arms, he has worked wonders with Leeds, so lets give him a chance.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 There are plenty of people we hate in the football world but just because we hate them does not mean we would not have there here in heartbeat, Rooney, Ronaldo, Fergie just to name three. The fact is that if Wise can improve our staff and do a good job then we should welcome him with open arms, he has worked wonders with Leeds, so lets give him a chance.. Did an even better job at Millwall & Swindon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 About five years ago, I dreamt that we won a cup final, Nicky Butt scored the winner, while Clive Tyldesley kept saying Dennis Wise's name rather a lot. unlikely to come true. my guess is nicky butt wont start another cup tie for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I'm off to see what the Leeds fans in the office reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 pointing out what he has done with leeds is a bit pointless if he is coming in as DOF, two totally different roles. what experience does he have in a DOF role, is he up to date with latest methods and techniques in youth coaching and recruitment, is he familiar with latest fitness methodology ie from ac milan or US grid-iron, does he have a good list of contacts, does he know top scouts & coaches in all corners of the globe, has he expertise in running a club's off-pitch infastructure, does he have a dossier of all the best young talent in the world from bolivia to bosnia, has he shown an ability to network with disparate clubs and academies round the world, is he multi-lingual, have good knowledge of developing football nations like those in africa? those are the kind of things that are relevant to a DOF role and i don't see how Wise fits the criteria even slightly. if we're going down the DOF route then we should be bringing in the best in the business, Comolli at Spurs, Houllier with FFF, Monchi at Sevilla, Beiersdorfer at Hamburg etc. people who have a proven track record in that particular role. if he is coming in as an assistant manager than his success with leeds is relevant as he'll have input into coaching, team selection and man management so from that point of view he wouldn't be a bad choice. though even what is effective at League One level isn't neccessarily going to work when it comes to top flight footie. as for Wise the person, i couldn't care less what he's like as long as he is good enough. Top post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 pointing out what he has done with leeds is a bit pointless if he is coming in as DOF, two totally different roles. what experience does he have in a DOF role, is he up to date with latest methods and techniques in youth coaching and recruitment, is he familiar with latest fitness methodology ie from ac milan or US grid-iron, does he have a good list of contacts, does he know top scouts & coaches in all corners of the globe, has he expertise in running a club's off-pitch infastructure, does he have a dossier of all the best young talent in the world from bolivia to bosnia, has he shown an ability to network with disparate clubs and academies round the world, is he multi-lingual, have good knowledge of developing football nations like those in africa? those are the kind of things that are relevant to a DOF role and i don't see how Wise fits the criteria even slightly. if we're going down the DOF route then we should be bringing in the best in the business, Comolli at Spurs, Houllier with FFF, Monchi at Sevilla, Beiersdorfer at Hamburg etc. people who have a proven track record in that particular role. if he is coming in as an assistant manager than his success with leeds is relevant as he'll have input into coaching, team selection and man management so from that point of view he wouldn't be a bad choice. though even what is effective at League One level isn't neccessarily going to work when it comes to top flight footie. as for Wise the person, i couldn't care less what he's like as long as he is good enough. allardyce ticks nearly all the boxes there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dennis Wise's managerial career Team------From------------To---------Games--Won-----Lost---Drawn Leeds----24-10-2006----Present-------68-------30-------26------12 Swindon-22-05-2006---24-10-2006---17--------9--------3-------5 Millwall--15-10-2003---09-05-2005----89-------36-------29------24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Just spoken to our operations manager who's a season ticket holder and he's bemused. Says he doesn't fit in with Keegan at all, doesn't make sense to get Keegan in as someone who like to play football when Wise does the opposite. Long balls down the middle towards two big strikers is all he has done at Leeds apparently. He said in fact that if they'd gone up they'd have probably had to get rid of Wise anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Would be a good arguement if wise was coming in as DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Seems to me that Wise is getting the No 2 role that Shearer thought he was too good for. Fair play to him at least he's got his hands dirty managing in the lower leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Poor grammar from Alan today - should be "done brilliantly". Adams, Pearce touted for No. 2. Toon make Wise move Jan 28 2008 by Alan Oliver, Evening Chronicle NEWCASTLE United are bidding to bring Leeds United manager Dennis Wise to St James’s Park. That’s the shock news The Chronicle can reveal today. And all the indications are that Wise is ready to leave Elland Road and join Kevin Keegan at United. Wise would not be involved in the day-to-day first-team duties but would be employed in a similar role to Frank Arnesen at Chelsea, overseeing all other aspects of the club. United sent a fax to Elland Road today with their offer for Wise, and the ball is very much in the court of Leeds chairman Ken Bates. Leeds will obviously want compensation and it looks as though Newcastle are quite happy to pay this, with Wise believed to be offered £1m a year, quadrupling his current salary. Wise has done brilliant for Leeds this season, making up that 15-point penalty that was imposed on them by the Football Association for their sins in the last campaign. But the word from Yorkshire is that Wise has become disenchanted with the managerial side of the game and is ready for the challenge United will undoubtedly offer. His wife is expecting another child and the Wise family have been upset at all the flak that he been flying around recently. Meanwhile, Keegan has pulled out of the race to sign Spurs’ French international Pascal Chimbonda, leaving United fans looking anxiously at Thursday’s transfer deadline. And the prospects for new players coming in this week appear to be diminishing, with KK saying: “It won’t be the end of the world if we did not bring anyone in by Thursday.” After losing Jonathan Woodgate to Spurs, Chimbonda would have been a handy signing for Keegan as the pacy 27-year-old can play both at right-back and as a central defender. Chimbonda was quoted last week that he would love to hitch himself on to the Keegan bandwagon, and the United boss was keen. But when I asked Keegan about Chimbonda today he replied simply: “It won’t be happening.” Now I expect Chimbonda to join either Aston Villa or Seville. Keegan is facing a race against time to bring in a central defender before Thursday and I wonder if there is any mileage in him going to Bayern Munich and trying to bring their 6ft 5in central defender Daniel van Buyten. Keegan had the Belgian defender with him at Eastlands on loan in 2004 and he did well for the then Manchester city boss. Meanwhile, another player not coming to St James’s Park is Jonathan Woodgate, as the 28-year-old England international is expected to complete his £7m move from Middlesbrough to Spurs today. The Chronicle revealed on Wednesday night that Woodgate was at the top of Keegan’s shopping list and the United manager said today: “I would have been happy if we could have got him and nobody else in before Thursday.” Since Wednesday all the information coming out of the Woodgate camp was just how much he wanted to come back to St James’s Park and play for the man who gave him his first England cap. Keegan said that United had matched Middlesbrough’s £7m fee – and the $64,000 question is why Woodgate has not returned to United. But the chances are he will make the right noises about Spurs when he is unveiled at White Hart Lane, and any talk about United will be swept under the carpet. Keegan is also expected to name his No 2 in the near future, with Tony Adams and former United defender Stuart Pearce both in the frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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