Barnes23 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 A debate which is worse from Pardew the inept manager or our 'cut our nose to spite our face' transfer frugality..? They're quite frankly as bad as each other, but the elephant in the room here is the person who is ultimately responsible for this utter lack of ambition. He's by far and away the most toxic element to our club right now. Almost everyone agrees with that. No chance of that changing while people keep supporting the team but not the regime etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered. A YEAR!? Fuck that, move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy. Eh, apart from the fact we look like doing none of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available. We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available. We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available. We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins. I don't think anyone believe Mike Ashley is in it for the love. Why would a bloke from Buckinghamshire buy a business in Newcastle and not want to make money from it? Also I am fairly certain he is still down on the deal and the money he has spent on us could have been far better invested elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm sick of talking about value for money etc. We as the 20th richest club in the world should not be getting the rip taken out of us by the likes of Swansea and Norwich in the transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered. A YEAR!? f*** that, move on. Ok i got this now, with some frenchies help Basically he denies rejecting our offer and NUFC are demanding Lyon contribute to the wages. Yep that sounds like us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for f*** all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available. We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The thing is, it felt like a money-ball type scenario when we were doing well and finishing 5th. That summer many of us thought, OK, more of the same - more of these players with unique situations who are undervalued etc and we'll kick on from here. We questioned AP, some backed him and some wanted someone who could deliver exciting free flowing football - instead we had last season and sort of dawned upon us we were relying on Graham Carr's ability to find the easiest possible scenario to get us a deal for cheap and pay the player more here than he gets in France and hope that Hatem and Yohan put in a good word for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 lol Our incompetence is truly epic! Well done Joe, you're this shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad. The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets. Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker. A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad. I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy. Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no.... Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy. Eh, apart from the fact we look like doing none of that? If the striker signing was good enough it would probably suffice.This squad + Remy + a quality manager would challenge for Europe. Any other deficiencies in our recruitment policy are exacerbated by Pardew's awful management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 What? We're trying to sign a player in a permanent deal and we want his old club to continue to contribute towards his wages?! We're mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 This is essentially our dealmakers demanding OL pay the 3k a week that is part of his existing deal...basically the differential of what we are offering and what he currently gets paid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Wtf? If we have asked for that then I want whatever Kinnear is smoking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We're just posturing tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Aulas could be bullshitting tbf but i doubt it and it does sound like something we would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 That's a risky strategy on Aulas' part, to say that in the public domain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We're just posturing tbh. Perish the thought we'd be doing something constructive to actively strengthen the squad. Let's just posture and play the game out. Not a pop at you btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 This fucking club man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Holy fucking shit, if that's true. New levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sounds like a lot of lost in translation bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We're just posturing tbh. Perish the thought we'd be doing something constructive to actively strengthen the squad. Let's just posture and play the game out. Not a pop at you btw. reported Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sounds like a lot of lost in translation bollocks. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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