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[Guest Haris Vuckic]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

 

No we need to bring in a decent manager (not that I see Kinnear are any worse tactically than Pardew mind).  I'm not sure why the prospect of Kinnear possibly taking over should improve my view on Pardew's abilities.

 

Some perspective and experience might.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Btw, what good manager would work under the utter shambles we have at the moment as well.

 

I hate Pardew, but he's the best if a shocking list of managers we could have at the moment.

 

That is true.

[Teasy]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

 

No we need to bring in a decent manager (not that I see Kinnear are any worse tactically than Pardew mind).  I'm not sure why the prospect of Kinnear possibly taking over should improve my view on Pardew's abilities.

 

Some perspective and experience might.

 

Pardews abilities as a manager are what they are, Kinnear might or might not be worse and might or might not take over if he's gone (certainly more embarrassing but not sure about being a worse tactician, I don't think that's possible).  But that doesn't change what I think of Pardew.

[Dave]

Btw, what good manager would work under the utter shambles we have at the moment as well.

 

I hate Pardew, but he's the best if a shocking list of managers we could have at the moment.

 

Probably right. Who else is there? If Kinnear didn't step in (which he will), you're talking along the lines of Dave Bassett, Dennis Wise, Gerry Francis, Alan Curbishley etc. Unemployed Londoners who did stuff in the 1990s and know Joe (and therefore Ashley).

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

It's a combination. If you give a limited manager limited recourses then you're asking for it.

 

When Pardew was asked about what Ashley said to him about the season prospects at the beginning of the last term, he said 'mike said do it all again but with less money'. Quite staggering really.

 

This, although I think you mean resources. 

 

The squad depth is shockingly poor.  Even Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp would struggle to get results when following a few injuries, they have to turn to the likes of Obertan, Gosling, Williamson and the Ameobi brothers.

 

How often was he actually forced into that though? i can't count the amount of times Obertan, Ameobi and even Williamson played when there were far better options sitting on the bench.

 

There were never far better options.  Last season we picked up so many injuries we had to bring our few decent players on the bench into the XI, leaving us with utter crap sat there.

 

Williamson was our third choice centre half up until January and Shola our third choice striker.  Injuries and fitness problems, which are as much the fault of the backroom staff as they are Pardew's, regularly meant they would have to start games.

[Kanji]

Slap a 3000,

[Dave]

I'd forgotten all about this (probably a subconscious choice tbh):

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7653839.stm

Francis offered Magpies position

 

Newcastle interim manager Joe Kinnear has said he has offered former QPR and Tottenham manager Gerry Francis a coaching role at the club.

 

Speaking after watching his side battle back from two goals down to draw 2-2 at Everton, Kinnear said he needed more help at St James' Park.

 

"I have known Gerry Francis all my life, he's a great coach," he said.

 

"I know he is tied up with media work so I put an offer to him to come in on Tuesdays and Thursdays."

 

Francis stood down from his manager's position at Bristol Rovers at the end of 2001 and has not had a permanent job in football since.

 

He has been coaching at Premier League new-boys Stoke City on a casual basis and recently spoke of his desire to make the role more official.

 

However, Kinnear appears keen to have the 57-year-old former England captain at Newcastle as he seeks to add some experience to his backroom team.

 

"There is only me and Chris (Hughton), and we have a lot of lads to work with. We need to work in smaller numbers," he added.

 

"Gerry can do some solid work and I will pay him accordingly. He has no desire to be a manager or anything full-time. He won't be involved in anything on Saturdays.

 

"I feel we need someone with that experience. He will not be a number two or anything like that, I will be meeting him for a meal on Monday afternoon to discuss it. There is a good chance something will happen.

 

"If it is not Gerry I will still be bringing someone else in, to specialise in certain things in small groups - defence, midfield, strikers."

 

That actually happened.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered.

[Unbelievable]

A debate which is worse from Pardew the inept manager or our 'cut our nose to spite our face' transfer frugality..? They're quite frankly as bad as each other, but the elephant in the room here is the person who is ultimately responsible for this utter lack of ambition. He's by far and away the most toxic element to our club right now.

[Barnes23]

We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad.

 

The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets.

 

Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker.

 

A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad.

 

I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy.

 

Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no....

 

Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy.

[Guest neesy111]

A debate which is worse from Pardew the inept manager or our 'cut our nose to spite our face' transfer frugality..? They're quite frankly as bad as each other, but the elephant in the room here is the person who is ultimately responsible for this utter lack of ambition. He's by far and away the most toxic element to our club right now.

 

Almost everyone agrees with that.  No chance of that changing while people keep supporting the team but not the regime etc etc.

[Cajun]

Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered.

 

A YEAR!? Fuck that, move on.

[Dave]

We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad.

 

The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets.

 

Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker.

 

A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad.

 

I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy.

 

Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no....

 

Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy.

 

Eh, apart from the fact we look like doing none of that?

[Theregulars]

It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how

people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for

fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available.

 

We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins.

[colinmk]

It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how

people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for

fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available.

 

We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins.

 

[Cajun]

It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how

people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for

fuck all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available.

 

We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins.

 

I don't think anyone believe Mike Ashley is in it for the love. Why would a bloke from Buckinghamshire buy a business in Newcastle and not want to make money from it?

 

Also I am fairly certain he is still down on the deal and the money he has spent on us could have been far better invested elsewhere.

[Guest neesy111]

I'm sick of talking about value for money etc.  We as the 20th richest club in the world should not be getting the rip taken out of us by the likes of Swansea and Norwich in the transfer market.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered.

 

A YEAR!? f*** that, move on.

 

Ok i got this now, with some frenchies help

 

Basically he denies rejecting our offer and NUFC are demanding Lyon contribute to the wages.

 

Yep that sounds like us

[Unbelievable]

It would be even mildly bearable if we did a 'moneyball' and actually searched for and signed lots of undervalued players based on overrated/ill-conceived notions. But it's just a gluttonous millionaire, with not an ounce of respect/feeling for the club/region, who wants as much as he can for as little as he can plausibly put in. I don't get how

people can bat on about 'not getting ripped off', 'balancing the books' and being financially sound! It's for

f*** all to do with a well thought-out economic model; it's a man who makes money by spending little, hoping to squeeze everything out of what he has, and then selling as soon as the most profit available at that point in time is available.

 

We're just a business for the profit of Mike Ashley and whoever else invested/knows him and got a job. To think otherwise is ignorance on a level befitting Kinnear the Oxford Collins.

 

[Kanji]

The thing is, it felt like a money-ball type scenario when we were doing well and finishing 5th. That summer many of us thought, OK, more of the same - more of these players with unique situations who are undervalued etc and we'll kick on from here. We questioned AP, some backed him and some wanted someone who could deliver exciting free flowing football - instead we had last season and sort of dawned upon us we were relying on Graham Carr's ability to find the easiest possible scenario to get us a deal for cheap and pay the player more here than he gets in France and hope that Hatem and Yohan put in a good word for us.

[BONTEMPI]

lol

 

Our incompetence is truly epic! Well done Joe, you're this shit.

[Barnes23]

We are following a process that has helped us built a good squad.

 

The problem is that everyone has forgotten that because Pardew had a good squad perform like absolute muppets.

 

Using Swansea as an example- they sold Allen and Sinclair and made a profit last summer. Their back up full backs were a young Welsh lad who hadn't played a game and a Dutchman who they signed on a free. Their back up centre halves were Arsenals 10th choice centre half and Garry Monk. Luke Moore was their back up striker.

 

A good manager had them perform. If we added two strikers and ideally a left winger, we'd have a very good squad.

 

I've seen no evidence to suggest we aren't working on the strikers so I'm still relatively happy with our recruitment policy.

 

Happy with Pardew and Kinnear. God no....

 

Spot on. A competent manager would have our squad as it stands (+ a decent striker in case of injury to Cisse) in the top 10 without any difficulty. The addition of a wide forward, a replacement for Ameobi's spot on the bench and maybe a few more promising younger players around the squad (e.g 4th choice centre back instead of Williamson) would see us challenging for Europe. Pardew is far more of a problem than our recruitment policy.

 

Eh, apart from the fact we look like doing none of that?

If the striker signing was good enough it would probably suffice.This squad + Remy + a quality manager would challenge for Europe. Any other deficiencies in our recruitment policy are exacerbated by Pardew's awful management.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

What?  We're trying to sign a player in a permanent deal and we want his old club to continue to contribute towards his wages?!

 

We're mental.

[Kanji]

This is essentially our dealmakers demanding OL pay the 3k a week that is part of his existing deal...basically the differential of what we are offering and what he currently gets paid?

[Guest neesy111]

Wtf?  If we have asked for that then I want whatever Kinnear is smoking.