Taylor Swift Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 What are these so called big games that the top players have to prove themselves in? Does anyone keep at track of who has played well in them? I think it's more about a sense/feeling about who you expect to deliver. You expect (that cunt) Gerrard to deliver when it matters. The key is to consistently deliver in these big moments because those are the only moments that will matter 20 years from now. That's why even though players like van Basten had a short-ish career, they'll always be remembered for their 'moments'. What's Ronaldo's 'moment' so far? What's any top footballer's 'moment' so far? I'd say that even Ronaldinho hasn't had his and will not go down as one of the greats. Great players have moments/tournaments which are forever associated with them. Eusebio had his 4 goals against North Korea as his moment, van Basten the wonder goal, Baggio with his incredible play in the '94 WC, Zizou the double in the WC final and the goal against Leverkusen - obviously I could go on but that's the gist of my argument. Only if its in a Liverpool Shirt and he can cheat. Gerrard is no where near being a great if Ronaldo the second isn't I never said he was a great. His resume still lacks quite a lot but I mentioned him because he has delivered when it mattered most. That's obviously a factor in whether a player ends up being considered a great, don't you think? That, combined with general awesomeness in domestic and international football, would boost the credentials of any wannabe 'great' player. I should preface this by saying I don't think Gerrard is (or will end up being) considered a great. I'm just saying that he does tick one of the main boxes - delivering when it matters most; CL final, FA Cup final, rescuing his team against Olympiakos etc. That's all. He doesn't tick the two other main boxes - general awesomeness in domestic football, and general awesomeness in international football. I only mentioned him because there just aren't any players out there who consistently deliver when it matters most. Not one. Not Ronaldo, Kaka, Rooney, Henry nor Messi. At least not yet anyway, so I had to settle for Gerrard because he ticked that particular box and I was discussing that particular 'box'. That's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Fuck football. What a fucking disappointment. Thrown this shit away too many times, no we're consigned to our fate in the play-offs, getting embarassed home and away. What a shit season. We've lost everything we had the first time we got up. Back then we were big powerful skilful and hungry. No we're just big and powerful. Fucking average. Fuck it. You made a big mistake selling Marlon King IMO. We have no quality up front or on the wings. McAnuff is fast, can't cross, can't shoot. Wow. Smith is skilful but can't cross and finishes when you least expect him to, but misses when it's easy. Priskin is shit. Ellington is shit. Kabba is shit. Henderson is amazing but shit. I absolutely despise football atm. We need the likes of Young and King, quality players to mix in with the solid backbone we have. FFS. I watched Priskin against Pompey last season (live) and he looked the part, was very impressed. That was (as far as I can remember apart from the abandoned Wigan game) his only good performance for us. Oh my, that game was amazing. GAVIN MAHON! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 mackems.gif We were right behind that as well, in the bit with no roof. Brilliant goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Not a problem In other news, Inter have scored. They're playing well against a pretty good Lazio side. With Roma only getting a draw, they could settle it today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ronaldo hasn't done it in Europe, Messi and Kaka have been matchwinners in big European games. There is another level and for me Ronaldo hasn't done it with any consistancy at the that level. Players like him and Gerrard continually look average in the very big matches more often than not. Ronaldo was magical against Roma, I'm aware he hasn't done it regularly in Europe though. Has Messi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ground emptying rapidly and the Villa fans are singing 'fuck off back to London la la la lah". Brilliant. Yeah, they should have stuck around like the Villa fans did when they were beating us 4-1. Oh, wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 f*** football. What a f****** disappointment. Thrown this s*** away too many times, no we're consigned to our fate in the play-offs, getting embarassed home and away. What a s*** season. We've lost everything we had the first time we got up. Back then we were big powerful skilful and hungry. No we're just big and powerful. f****** average. f*** it. You made a big mistake selling Marlon King IMO. We have no quality up front or on the wings. McAnuff is fast, can't cross, can't shoot. Wow. Smith is skilful but can't cross and finishes when you least expect him to, but misses when it's easy. Priskin is s***. Ellington is s***. Kabba is s***. Henderson is amazing but s***. I absolutely despise football atm. We need the likes of Young and King, quality players to mix in with the solid backbone we have. FFS. I watched Priskin against Pompey last season (live) and he looked the part, was very impressed. That was (as far as I can remember apart from the abandoned Wigan game) his only good performance for us. Oh my, that game was amazing. GAVIN MAHON! He looked good when we beat you at Vicarage Rd last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Had 10 euros on there being scored 4 goals or more in this one. 3.4 / 1 Get in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Totally agree with Apisith. For Liverpool Gerrard always delivers when it matters something many great players have yet to achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Betis were matched at 229/1 for the win at 0-2 in play on betfair! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Totally agree with Apisith. For Liverpool Gerrard always delivers when it matters something many great players have yet to achieve. Agreed. Not for England though which probably says more about others and that team than Gerrard himself who is a great player, one of the best in the world in his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Betis were matched at 229/1 for the win at 0-2 in play on betfair! Anyone know what arsenal were at half time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Betis were matched at 229/1 for the win at 0-2 in play on betfair! This wasnt in the Camp Nou was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Betis were matched at 229/1 for the win at 0-2 in play on betfair! Anyone know what arsenal were at half time? 50-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 2-0 Barcelona after 20 minutes. 3-2 Betis. What a meltdown by Barca. Betis were matched at 229/1 for the win at 0-2 in play on betfair! Anyone know what arsenal were at half time? losing 2-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Wonder what Wenger's reaction on the red card would have been if Arsenal had lost, he was shaking his head at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ronaldos goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ronaldos goal Tevez's was wonderful. Brilliant football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 And again, ronaldo Sick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Jesus christ Ronaldo Fuck me. The kid has it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Some of the moves ManU were putting together there (assume you're watching MOTD too) were outstanding. Much better to watch than anything Arsenal have to offer.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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