Optimistic Nut Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I guess the irony could be that we played our best football that season when Milner was out injured and then kept out by Geremi & Butt... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 c) Yes, if a player is kept out of a team by James Milner I don't really rate him very highly. So, to summarise, you're writing off a young player, on the basis that he's being kept out of our team by another young player, who was also widely written off here, but has since gone on to be a full international and lauded by Fabio Capello. There's the irony. I also thought he did well for you for decent spells, too, but hey-ho, it doesn't really matter, I'm interested in what he does for us, and so far it must have been half decent for him to get a full call up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Capello bums Heskey but you wont find many Villa fans who rate him highly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 For my own egotistical interests I *do* hope Milner is the future of England He's not bad, but he's nothing special by a long shot. At least the few games I have seen him play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Capello bums Heskey but you wont find many Villa fans who rate him highly. True enough. I don't see what he does for us given the way we play, but I can see what he does for England. The fact is that Milner is pretty much universally rated by Villa fans and by the England manager, hence my puzzlement at "hur hur, Albrighton can't be much cop if he's being kept out of the team by James Milner", which seems a twisted logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 c) Yes, if a player is kept out of a team by James Milner I don't really rate him very highly. So, to summarise, you're writing off a young player, on the basis that he's being kept out of our team by another young player, who was also widely written off here, but has since gone on to be a full international and lauded by Fabio Capello. There's the irony. I also thought he did well for you for decent spells, too, but hey-ho, it doesn't really matter, I'm interested in what he does for us, and so far it must have been half decent for him to get a full call up. Lauded by Capello? It means nothing, as I've said. Capello isn't going to say 'Oh..yes..James Milner...pretty poor end product...not great technicially...' is he? Plenty of crap players have played for England: Michael Gray, Ricketts etc. etc. it doesn't stop them being **** does it? You said some player was going to be 'quality', if you mean quality as in Milner-quality (i.e. on the periphery of the England team and an average PL player who'll most likely never play CL football) , you may well be right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 c) Yes, if a player is kept out of a team by James Milner I don't really rate him very highly. So, to summarise, you're writing off a young player, on the basis that he's being kept out of our team by another young player, who was also widely written off here, but has since gone on to be a full international and lauded by Fabio Capello. There's the irony. I also thought he did well for you for decent spells, too, but hey-ho, it doesn't really matter, I'm interested in what he does for us, and so far it must have been half decent for him to get a full call up. Lauded by Capello? It means nothing, as I've said. Capello isn't going to say 'Oh..yes..James Milner...pretty poor end product...not great technicially...' is he? Plenty of crap players have played for England: Michael Gray, Ricketts etc. etc. it doesn't stop them being **** does it? You said some player was going to be 'quality', if you mean quality as in Milner-quality (i.e. on the periphery of the England team and an average PL player who'll most likely never play CL football) , you may well be right Wait a second; plenty of crap players play for England, fair enough.... But if they play CL football, woah, they must be good? Am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 c) Yes, if a player is kept out of a team by James Milner I don't really rate him very highly. So, to summarise, you're writing off a young player, on the basis that he's being kept out of our team by another young player, who was also widely written off here, but has since gone on to be a full international and lauded by Fabio Capello. There's the irony. I also thought he did well for you for decent spells, too, but hey-ho, it doesn't really matter, I'm interested in what he does for us, and so far it must have been half decent for him to get a full call up. Lauded by Capello? It means nothing, as I've said. Capello isn't going to say 'Oh..yes..James Milner...pretty poor end product...not great technicially...' is he? Plenty of crap players have played for England: Michael Gray, Ricketts etc. etc. it doesn't stop them being **** does it? You said some player was going to be 'quality', if you mean quality as in Milner-quality (i.e. on the periphery of the England team and an average PL player who'll most likely never play CL football) , you may well be right Wait a second; plenty of crap players play for England, fair enough.... But if they play CL football, woah, they must be good? Am I missing something? I meant he'll never play for the top 4 Playing for Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea (soon Man City) generally means you're good, yeah. There's less crap players for those teams in recent years than England, especially in attacking positions. Not that I even said that players who play in the CL are automatically good. He could of course go to Debrecen or something and get in the CL, but that's obviously not what I meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Milner is just one of a long list of players who weren't good enough for us. Thankfully we don't have to worry about the likes of him in the squad these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Milner is just one of a long list of players who weren't good enough for us. Thankfully we don't have to worry about the likes of him in the squad these days. I agree he'd be a good player in the Championship. David Edgar was never good enough for us was he? Look at him now, soaring in the PL while lowly old Newcastle playing the the fizzy pop league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yep milner and Edgar are exactly the same. Did you use that smiley in response to your own post? If not you should have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Milner is just one of a long list of players who weren't good enough for us. Thankfully we don't have to worry about the likes of him in the squad these days. You're like an affected widow or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yep milner and Edgar are exactly the same. Did you use that smiley in response to your own post? If not you should have. You're the one posting stupid sarcastic posts. Milner was never great for us, 99% of fans would say that. Surprise, surprise though we could do with him in the Championship. People's expectations change when a team is relegated, not exactly that hard to comprehend is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 He was never as bad as people made out either. Oh well I suppose you are right and all these managers are wrong though. Lucky for milner these people can't see how shit he really is so he will be playing in Europe and for his country for the foreseeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Neill signs for Everton on a one-year deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Was reported as 4 years earlier, thought that was a bit much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 He was never as bad as people made out either. Oh well I suppose you are right and all these managers are wrong though. Lucky for milner these people can't see how s*** he really is so he will be playing in Europe and for his country for the foreseeable. He won't be playing in Europe for the foreseeable future actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 More chance than we will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 He was never as bad as people made out either. Oh well I suppose you are right and all these managers are wrong though. Lucky for milner these people can't see how s*** he really is so he will be playing in Europe and for his country for the foreseeable. He won't be playing in Europe for the foreseeable future actually Make no bones about it many of us may not of fully appreciated Milner when he was with us but he is better than anything we have in midfield now by a good strech. How many seasons do you reckon it will take J.Barton & Jonas combined to score more PL goals than Milner for Newcastle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 More chance than we will. This is the rubbish I was on about. YES I REALISE MILNER IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, doesn't make him a great player though does it? People have used the same argument for loads of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 More chance than we will. This is the rubbish I was on about. YES I REALISE MILNER IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, doesn't make him a great player though does it? People have used the same argument for loads of players. doesn't make him a great player, a good premiership player though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 More chance than we will. This is the rubbish I was on about. YES I REALISE MILNER IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, doesn't make him a great player though does it? People have used the same argument for loads of players. doesn't make him a great player, a good premiership player though. Yeah, and we sure could use him now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 More chance than we will. This is the rubbish I was on about. YES I REALISE MILNER IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, doesn't make him a great player though does it? People have used the same argument for loads of players. doesn't make him a great player, a good premiership player though. Yeah, and we sure could use him now! We can always use players like Milner who are a lot better than what we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 James Milner is a much better player than any out of our current lot, and he was easily among our 2-3 best players when he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 James Milner is a much better player than any out of our current lot, and he was easily among our 2-3 best players when he was here. 2-3? :lol: What exactly did he do for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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