geordie jamie Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 he wont face old club majorca according to the chron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Nando Pons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 like the sound of our right hand side now with jonas here to link up with beye. both hard working, pacey, like to get forward and can also both defend. lets hope its as good in practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. They can't do anything anyway, it's EU law now that players can buy themselves out of a contract if they have 2 or less years remaining on their contract it's just he's only the third so they probably just want to have a go at getting some money on the off chance nobody really understands it. If he's bought himself out of his contract they have to release his registration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. They can't do anything anyway, it's EU law now that players can buy themselves out of a contract if they have 2 or less years remaining on their contract it's just he's only the third so they probably just want to have a go at getting some money on the off chance nobody really understands it. If he's bought himself out of his contract they have to release his registration. The amount of the compensation is not straightforward though, so unless the player & club agree amicably (obviously not the case here) it will at least have to go to some arbitration panel if not to court. Just wondering whether or not we can play him until it's resolved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. They can't do anything anyway, it's EU law now that players can buy themselves out of a contract if they have 2 or less years remaining on their contract it's just he's only the third so they probably just want to have a go at getting some money on the off chance nobody really understands it. If he's bought himself out of his contract they have to release his registration. The amount of the compensation is not straightforward though, so unless the player & club agree amicably (obviously not the case here) it will at least have to go to some arbitration panel if not to court. Just wondering whether or not we can play him until it's resolved. I'd imagine we can as he was technically a free agent and then signed for us. The only thing that is in dispute is the amount his former club should recieve. This could be similar to the N'Zogbia situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. They can't do anything anyway, it's EU law now that players can buy themselves out of a contract if they have 2 or less years remaining on their contract it's just he's only the third so they probably just want to have a go at getting some money on the off chance nobody really understands it. If he's bought himself out of his contract they have to release his registration. The amount of the compensation is not straightforward though, so unless the player & club agree amicably (obviously not the case here) it will at least have to go to some arbitration panel if not to court. Just wondering whether or not we can play him until it's resolved. With this law it's simple, the amount of compensation received is the remaining value left on that contract. this is a case where this occured. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/117623_43278.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Sporting director Nando Pons said: "We are asking for 15million euros for the unilateral termination of the contract without just cause. "It's a legal matter. We are not happy about it in the slightest, but Mallorca has to protect its interests." Anyone know whether we officially hold his registration until the legalities are resolved? ie could this drag on and we're not able to play him? Not sure at all. If they're after compensation, that suggests that they've accepted he's actually gone but they want some £££ to soften the blow. If they could hold on to his registration I think they'd have already threatened to. Just guessing though - I could be totally wrong. They can't do anything anyway, it's EU law now that players can buy themselves out of a contract if they have 2 or less years remaining on their contract it's just he's only the third so they probably just want to have a go at getting some money on the off chance nobody really understands it. If he's bought himself out of his contract they have to release his registration. The amount of the compensation is not straightforward though, so unless the player & club agree amicably (obviously not the case here) it will at least have to go to some arbitration panel if not to court. Just wondering whether or not we can play him until it's resolved. I'd imagine we can as he was technically a free agent and then signed for us. The only thing that is in dispute is the amount his former club should recieve. This could be similar to the N'Zogbia situation. I think that's probably right like, just wondering if anyone knew for sure. Of course, if he refuses to pay the compensation (say it turns out to be more than the "undisclosed fee" we gave him), FIFA could ban him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 My guess, and it is just from what i've read on here, so it's a pretty wild guess... He's bought out his contract (with funds from us possibly) and Mallorca are left in a shitty position as they still owe his original Argentinian club some kind of payment. So Mallorca are going to try and get us to pay that as the player is no longer theirs. I'd say Mallorca are in a weak position myself. We will see. This Webster m'larkey needs looking at though, wide open for abuse and misuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 A lad on another forum whos a River Plate fan claims Velez are notoriously difficult to negotiate with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SteveT Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Great journalism from Luke Edwards "United have not had much luck when it comes to signing players from La Liga, with £9m flop Albert Luque the last player to swap the Spanish sun for Tyneside three years ago" So where did that Jose Enrique bloke come from? You know, might have heard of him, first choice left back for the team you're writing about... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Great journalism from Luke Edwards "United have not had much luck when it comes to signing players from La Liga, with £9m flop Albert Luque the last player to swap the Spanish sun for Tyneside three years ago" So where did that Jose Enrique bloke come from? You know, might have heard of him, first choice left back for the team you're writing about... and michael owen signed in between luque and the deadline i think. making luque the 3rd last player to swap the spanish sun for tyneside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 "Jose Enrique" he came from the part of spain where it rains alot... el plaino boggo, or somewhere like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 i like how everyone was going ape shit about keegan's one off hand comment about not signing players from south america that was taken out of context, and our first signing is from argentina. maybe people should stop letting one off the cuff comment transform into our whole transfer policy and then have 2000 simultanious heart attacks about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaun11177 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Mallorca are trying it on, something like we will take it to the courts if you dont give us some money, so give us a bit of money and we'll forget about it. Dont think they have a leg to stand on. If the player was on 15000 a week then presumably he would pay the club 1.5m and we would then pay him that money back+according to the ruling we must pay the same amount to Mallorca-an overall fee of 3m-3.5m. Anything else tell them to take a flying ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Shit? Could get messy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 id say that our club has been run pretty well (few hiccoups) in the background areas over the last year (if not in the transfer market or on the pitch, which is debatable and i dont want to start one of those threads) so you would hope the club knew what they were doing leagal wise when signing him, and mallorca are just throwing their toys out of the pram or the club have budgeted for any amount that mallorca could reclaim and are happy to pay that for gutierrez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Shit? Could get messy. I think they will settle for about £5m. Would be better than drawing it out reg pre-season preparations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 s***? Could get messy. Can't see Barca selling him to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Bad news lads. He's shite. http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=334427 "ross wallace or simao" :lol: (aye, i know it was intentional) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 plays for the same team as guizza and arango, triple swoop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 With this law it's simple, the amount of compensation received is the remaining value left on that contract. this is a case where this occured. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/117623_43278.pdf That's not how it reads to me. See section 41 - seems to be part original transfer fee, part old & new wages (bonuses are tricky and subject to negotiation), and part "sports related damage caused to the club, blah, blah, blah" which could amount to anything really. id say that our club has been run pretty well (few hiccoups) in the background areas over the last year (if not in the transfer market or on the pitch, which is debatable and i dont want to start one of those threads) so you would hope the club knew what they were doing leagal wise when signing him, and mallorca are just throwing their toys out of the pram or the club have budgeted for any amount that mallorca could reclaim and are happy to pay that for gutierrez Not sure we're officially allowed to do that though, otherwise it could be seen as if we were inducing him to leave in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 With this law it's simple, the amount of compensation received is the remaining value left on that contract. this is a case where this occured. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/117623_43278.pdf That's not how it reads to me. See section 41 - seems to be part original transfer fee, part old & new wages (bonuses are tricky and subject to negotiation), and part "sports related damage caused to the club, blah, blah, blah" which could amount to anything really. id say that our club has been run pretty well (few hiccoups) in the background areas over the last year (if not in the transfer market or on the pitch, which is debatable and i dont want to start one of those threads) so you would hope the club knew what they were doing leagal wise when signing him, and mallorca are just throwing their toys out of the pram or the club have budgeted for any amount that mallorca could reclaim and are happy to pay that for gutierrez Not sure we're officially allowed to do that though, otherwise it could be seen as if we were inducing him to leave in the first place? there has already been a precedent (2 actually) so have a look and see what happened then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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