Colos Short and Curlies Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Since when are they signing Arshavin?.. I'm guessing it's based on the agent saying he was interested in a move to Spurs but that Zenit want a hell of a lot more money than Spurs are willing to offer. Is their a club Arshavin isn't interested in according to his agent? No serious bid has come in for him since the Euros and his agent is keeping his name in the spotlight. Still think we have a bid on the table, probably around the 12-15 million mark and no one has gone substantially higher than that. Wait so you think we have made a bid for him? Call it a bid, or a speculative punt, or an enquiry. I reckon it was pre Euro 08 and has just been left there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Arshavin's agent at it again I see, he is desperate for a move to Spuds but a deal is a long way off! fk him and the circus he belongs too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Given Beye Colocinni Taylor Enrique/Warnock Guthrie/Faye Gutierrez N'Zogbia/Milner Arshavin Owen Martins What a hot team. Def top 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 There is time to go but I'd like to have signed the players that Spurs have signed, make no mistake I am jealous of those signings and if they get Arshavin, I'll be green. Lack of premiership experience is a lame reason not to want them or slag these signings - they are riskier but the rewards are massive and its not like the players they are signing are 'unknown' They are all top class, world established players. They have paid top dollar but that is the only way a team outside of the top 4 will ever break into the upper regions of this league. We have signed two players with a distinct lack of premiership experience, another on the way potentially so there is just as big a chance that we will 'luck out' as well but we don't seem to be mentioning that. I hate Spurs but I think we should be bricking it more than them at this moment. top class world established stars?! Come on, before the start of last season not a great number of people even knew of Modric or Arshavin. I'm not saying they weren't good players but they were a long way off world established stars and neither of them are 18 or 19 and bursting through. Yes, they have both had quality seasons and i think both have the potential to make big impacts. What i wouldn't be comfortable with is us replacing 5 of our 6 front players (if Berbatov goes) from last season. They would be playing Bent or A N Other up top who would be like a new player as Bent played so little last year and never on his own, then Jenas would be the only other player who was there last year. It will indeed be 'lucking out' if all of the new players, dropped in a team together, gelled quickly and formed a cohesive attacking unit whilst simultaneously learning to defend, which none of those players could do last season. Your top 4 breaking theorem is the one that failed us under Souness. Yes, I would like us to buy a few big name players, but i'd like to see them integrated and combined with the current squad and then built upon in January, not just completely replacing and stripping out our current team, which is what it looks like Spurs are doing. Put another way, would you be happy if we sold Owen, Martins and Viduka and signed Arshavin and Modric, leaving Shola to play up front on his own? I know that Bent is better than Shola, but it's equivalent 4th choice striker from January (Defoe, Berbatov and Keane ahead). I certianly wouldn't be. To be honest, I don't know where to start with that response. If Arshavin and Modric were not established stars, particulalry after the Euros then I don't know what qualifies - I'm not saying they are a Messi or Ronaldo but top class in their respective leagues and international teams, yes. I agree that bringing in a number of players in one go definetely brings a risk they will not gel but since they were available and in my eyes improve the squad, I would have bought them and if some needed more time than others, so be it - Ramos is a damn good coach and will know what he is doing there - though on reflection see my point below about Modric and Arshavin. The failure of Souness - I fail to see the relevance given the proven history of his incompetence as a manager full stop. I don't think the comparision with the 4 strikers is fair, Bent and Defoe vied for that 3rd berth. Additionally, why would we have to do what Spurs have done and can Arshavin not play in the attacking midfield role so the need to sell 3 strikers would not apply here? I actually would only want one of the two between Modric and Arshavin (probably Arshavin if pushed) given our current squad but the fact that Spurs are actually going out and getting them makes me envious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Given Beye Colocinni Taylor Enrique/Warnock Guthrie/Faye Gutierrez N'Zogbia/Milner Arshavin Owen Martins What a hot team. Def top 4 a left side of defence consisting of Taylor and Warnock and things dont quite look so great, Faye and Enrique every time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Ameobi was one of the best english strikers for his age at 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 There is time to go but I'd like to have signed the players that Spurs have signed, make no mistake I am jealous of those signings and if they get Arshavin, I'll be green. Lack of premiership experience is a lame reason not to want them or slag these signings - they are riskier but the rewards are massive and its not like the players they are signing are 'unknown' They are all top class, world established players. They have paid top dollar but that is the only way a team outside of the top 4 will ever break into the upper regions of this league. We have signed two players with a distinct lack of premiership experience, another on the way potentially so there is just as big a chance that we will 'luck out' as well but we don't seem to be mentioning that. I hate Spurs but I think we should be bricking it more than them at this moment. top class world established stars?! Come on, before the start of last season not a great number of people even knew of Modric or Arshavin. I'm not saying they weren't good players but they were a long way off world established stars and neither of them are 18 or 19 and bursting through. Yes, they have both had quality seasons and i think both have the potential to make big impacts. What i wouldn't be comfortable with is us replacing 5 of our 6 front players (if Berbatov goes) from last season. They would be playing Bent or A N Other up top who would be like a new player as Bent played so little last year and never on his own, then Jenas would be the only other player who was there last year. It will indeed be 'lucking out' if all of the new players, dropped in a team together, gelled quickly and formed a cohesive attacking unit whilst simultaneously learning to defend, which none of those players could do last season. Your top 4 breaking theorem is the one that failed us under Souness. Yes, I would like us to buy a few big name players, but i'd like to see them integrated and combined with the current squad and then built upon in January, not just completely replacing and stripping out our current team, which is what it looks like Spurs are doing. Put another way, would you be happy if we sold Owen, Martins and Viduka and signed Arshavin and Modric, leaving Shola to play up front on his own? I know that Bent is better than Shola, but it's equivalent 4th choice striker from January (Defoe, Berbatov and Keane ahead). I certianly wouldn't be. To be honest, I don't know where to start with that response. If Arshavin and Modric were not established stars, particulalry after the Euros then I don't know what qualifies - I'm not saying they are a Messi or Ronaldo but top class in their respective leagues and international teams, yes. I agree that bringing in a number of players in one go definetely brings a risk they will not gel but since they were available and in my eyes improve the squad, I would have bought them and if some needed more time than others, so be it - Ramos is a damn good coach and will know what he is doing there - though on reflection see my point below about Modric and Arshavin. The failure of Souness - I fail to see the relevance given the proven history of his incompetence as a manager full stop. I don't think the comparision with the 4 strikers is fair, Bent and Defoe vied for that 3rd berth. Additionally, why would we have to do what Spurs have done and can Arshavin not play in the attacking midfield role so the need to sell 3 strikers would not apply here? I actually would only want one of the two between Modric and Arshavin (probably Arshavin if pushed) given our current squad but the fact that Spurs are actually going out and getting them makes me envious. So, what you're saying is you would like us to have bought the players Spurs have but not let any of our best players go? No shit... We'd all have liked that... You've not actually addressed the point i was making, which was i wouldn't be happy for us to have shipped out our best players and replaced them with players, some of whom have no experience in the league. Top class in their relative leagues? Russia and Croatia? Not exactly what i would deem the best league. Yes, they can only do the best where they are but that's my point about them being relatively unproven, hence being a risk (see teams signing players from Senegal and the likes following successful tournaments). Jonas and (hopefully) Collocini have been playing rather well in the Spanish league, which gives me more optimism of them performing week in week out in the Premiership. Obviously not always the case (see: luque) but i think it gives a slightly more revealing insight. Agreed, the Souness thing does fall flat because he was a shit manager, but my point was that i'm happy IF we're now being sensible and gradually building on what we have rather than throwing cash willy nilly and changing our whole squad around. I bet it's very exciting being a Spurs fan now and not so exciting being an Everton or Arsenal fan, but those teams have had results through gradually building, adding to their youth set up and making a team, rather than continuously chopping and changing players and manager as Spurs and we previously have. I'm just saying i'm actually more content now, if we're making the effort to be more stable and build gradually. I won't be able to tell you if that's the case or whether we are just being useless / cheap until August 31st. Cop out i know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Ameobi was one of the best english strikers for his age at 22 ok but ameobi sucks. and taylor is captains for u 21s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I'll be bothered when they sign someone who can stop Obafemi Martins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I'll be bothered when they sign someone who can stop Obafemi Martins. hehehe well said! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 we'll still win 3-1 or 4-1 against them next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 they hardly had striker atm. berbatov.... meh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 There is time to go but I'd like to have signed the players that Spurs have signed, make no mistake I am jealous of those signings and if they get Arshavin, I'll be green. Lack of premiership experience is a lame reason not to want them or slag these signings - they are riskier but the rewards are massive and its not like the players they are signing are 'unknown' They are all top class, world established players. They have paid top dollar but that is the only way a team outside of the top 4 will ever break into the upper regions of this league. We have signed two players with a distinct lack of premiership experience, another on the way potentially so there is just as big a chance that we will 'luck out' as well but we don't seem to be mentioning that. I hate Spurs but I think we should be bricking it more than them at this moment. top class world established stars?! Come on, before the start of last season not a great number of people even knew of Modric or Arshavin. I'm not saying they weren't good players but they were a long way off world established stars and neither of them are 18 or 19 and bursting through. Yes, they have both had quality seasons and i think both have the potential to make big impacts. What i wouldn't be comfortable with is us replacing 5 of our 6 front players (if Berbatov goes) from last season. They would be playing Bent or A N Other up top who would be like a new player as Bent played so little last year and never on his own, then Jenas would be the only other player who was there last year. It will indeed be 'lucking out' if all of the new players, dropped in a team together, gelled quickly and formed a cohesive attacking unit whilst simultaneously learning to defend, which none of those players could do last season. Your top 4 breaking theorem is the one that failed us under Souness. Yes, I would like us to buy a few big name players, but i'd like to see them integrated and combined with the current squad and then built upon in January, not just completely replacing and stripping out our current team, which is what it looks like Spurs are doing. Put another way, would you be happy if we sold Owen, Martins and Viduka and signed Arshavin and Modric, leaving Shola to play up front on his own? I know that Bent is better than Shola, but it's equivalent 4th choice striker from January (Defoe, Berbatov and Keane ahead). I certianly wouldn't be. To be honest, I don't know where to start with that response. If Arshavin and Modric were not established stars, particulalry after the Euros then I don't know what qualifies - I'm not saying they are a Messi or Ronaldo but top class in their respective leagues and international teams, yes. I agree that bringing in a number of players in one go definetely brings a risk they will not gel but since they were available and in my eyes improve the squad, I would have bought them and if some needed more time than others, so be it - Ramos is a damn good coach and will know what he is doing there - though on reflection see my point below about Modric and Arshavin. The failure of Souness - I fail to see the relevance given the proven history of his incompetence as a manager full stop. I don't think the comparision with the 4 strikers is fair, Bent and Defoe vied for that 3rd berth. Additionally, why would we have to do what Spurs have done and can Arshavin not play in the attacking midfield role so the need to sell 3 strikers would not apply here? I actually would only want one of the two between Modric and Arshavin (probably Arshavin if pushed) given our current squad but the fact that Spurs are actually going out and getting them makes me envious. So, what you're saying is you would like us to have bought the players Spurs have but not let any of our best players go? No s***... We'd all have liked that... You've not actually addressed the point i was making, which was i wouldn't be happy for us to have shipped out our best players and replaced them with players, some of whom have no experience in the league. Top class in their relative leagues? Russia and Croatia? Not exactly what i would deem the best league. Yes, they can only do the best where they are but that's my point about them being relatively unproven, hence being a risk (see teams signing players from Senegal and the likes following successful tournaments). Jonas and (hopefully) Collocini have been playing rather well in the Spanish league, which gives me more optimism of them performing week in week out in the Premiership. Obviously not always the case (see: luque) but i think it gives a slightly more revealing insight. Agreed, the Souness thing does fall flat because he was a s*** manager, but my point was that i'm happy IF we're now being sensible and gradually building on what we have rather than throwing cash willy nilly and changing our whole squad around. I bet it's very exciting being a Spurs fan now and not so exciting being an Everton or Arsenal fan, but those teams have had results through gradually building, adding to their youth set up and making a team, rather than continuously chopping and changing players and manager as Spurs and we previously have. I'm just saying i'm actually more content now, if we're making the effort to be more stable and build gradually. I won't be able to tell you if that's the case or whether we are just being useless / cheap until August 31st. Cop out i know. Right, missed the point slightly - would I like to have shipped say Oba, Owen and potentially Viduka to get in Modric and Arshavin? Well put it that way, probably not and in theory I agree wholeheartedly with the building gradually. I still think we are building gradually with unproven players of potentially a lesser quality than Spurs and despite them playing in poorer leagues, Modric and Arshavin have proven themsleves in Europe and internationally. I would be happier if were at least in for some of these types of players, particularly in the area of creativity. Granted, your point is valid and thus buying 4 or 5 of them at one time may not be sensible. (Sometimes it takes a little while for it to sink in ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 There is time to go but I'd like to have signed the players that Spurs have signed, make no mistake I am jealous of those signings and if they get Arshavin, I'll be green. Lack of premiership experience is a lame reason not to want them or slag these signings - they are riskier but the rewards are massive and its not like the players they are signing are 'unknown' They are all top class, world established players. They have paid top dollar but that is the only way a team outside of the top 4 will ever break into the upper regions of this league. We have signed two players with a distinct lack of premiership experience, another on the way potentially so there is just as big a chance that we will 'luck out' as well but we don't seem to be mentioning that. I hate Spurs but I think we should be bricking it more than them at this moment. top class world established stars?! Come on, before the start of last season not a great number of people even knew of Modric or Arshavin. I'm not saying they weren't good players but they were a long way off world established stars and neither of them are 18 or 19 and bursting through. Yes, they have both had quality seasons and i think both have the potential to make big impacts. What i wouldn't be comfortable with is us replacing 5 of our 6 front players (if Berbatov goes) from last season. They would be playing Bent or A N Other up top who would be like a new player as Bent played so little last year and never on his own, then Jenas would be the only other player who was there last year. It will indeed be 'lucking out' if all of the new players, dropped in a team together, gelled quickly and formed a cohesive attacking unit whilst simultaneously learning to defend, which none of those players could do last season. Your top 4 breaking theorem is the one that failed us under Souness. Yes, I would like us to buy a few big name players, but i'd like to see them integrated and combined with the current squad and then built upon in January, not just completely replacing and stripping out our current team, which is what it looks like Spurs are doing. Put another way, would you be happy if we sold Owen, Martins and Viduka and signed Arshavin and Modric, leaving Shola to play up front on his own? I know that Bent is better than Shola, but it's equivalent 4th choice striker from January (Defoe, Berbatov and Keane ahead). I certianly wouldn't be. To be honest, I don't know where to start with that response. If Arshavin and Modric were not established stars, particulalry after the Euros then I don't know what qualifies - I'm not saying they are a Messi or Ronaldo but top class in their respective leagues and international teams, yes. I agree that bringing in a number of players in one go definetely brings a risk they will not gel but since they were available and in my eyes improve the squad, I would have bought them and if some needed more time than others, so be it - Ramos is a damn good coach and will know what he is doing there - though on reflection see my point below about Modric and Arshavin. The failure of Souness - I fail to see the relevance given the proven history of his incompetence as a manager full stop. I don't think the comparision with the 4 strikers is fair, Bent and Defoe vied for that 3rd berth. Additionally, why would we have to do what Spurs have done and can Arshavin not play in the attacking midfield role so the need to sell 3 strikers would not apply here? I actually would only want one of the two between Modric and Arshavin (probably Arshavin if pushed) given our current squad but the fact that Spurs are actually going out and getting them makes me envious. So, what you're saying is you would like us to have bought the players Spurs have but not let any of our best players go? No s***... We'd all have liked that... You've not actually addressed the point i was making, which was i wouldn't be happy for us to have shipped out our best players and replaced them with players, some of whom have no experience in the league. Top class in their relative leagues? Russia and Croatia? Not exactly what i would deem the best league. Yes, they can only do the best where they are but that's my point about them being relatively unproven, hence being a risk (see teams signing players from Senegal and the likes following successful tournaments). Jonas and (hopefully) Collocini have been playing rather well in the Spanish league, which gives me more optimism of them performing week in week out in the Premiership. Obviously not always the case (see: luque) but i think it gives a slightly more revealing insight. Agreed, the Souness thing does fall flat because he was a s*** manager, but my point was that i'm happy IF we're now being sensible and gradually building on what we have rather than throwing cash willy nilly and changing our whole squad around. I bet it's very exciting being a Spurs fan now and not so exciting being an Everton or Arsenal fan, but those teams have had results through gradually building, adding to their youth set up and making a team, rather than continuously chopping and changing players and manager as Spurs and we previously have. I'm just saying i'm actually more content now, if we're making the effort to be more stable and build gradually. I won't be able to tell you if that's the case or whether we are just being useless / cheap until August 31st. Cop out i know. Right, missed the point slightly - would I like to have shipped say Oba, Owen and potentially Viduka to get in Modric and Arshavin? Well put it that way, probably not and in theory I agree wholeheartedly with the building gradually. I still think we are building gradually with unproven players of potentially a lesser quality than Spurs and despite them playing in poorer leagues, Modric and Arshavin have proven themsleves in Europe and internationally. I would be happier if were at least in for some of these types of players, particularly in the area of creativity. Granted, your point is valid and thus buying 4 or 5 of them at one time may not be sensible. (Sometimes it takes a little while for it to sink in ) Hehe, so essentially, we agree, we just missed each other in the crossfire... I love the internet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Ameobi was one of the best english strikers for his age at 22 ok but ameobi sucks. and taylor is captains for u 21s well that's my point, are you pissed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yes, FUCK Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I'll be bothered when they sign someone who can stop Obafemi Martins. Well they've just announced new deals for Jenas () and Dawson () so I can't see that happening any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Ameobi was one of the best english strikers for his age at 22 ok but ameobi sucks. and taylor is captains for u 21s well that's my point, are you pissed? no haha I just think taylor is more promising than Ameobi was. I mean i think the only better defender who is 21-22 is Micah Richards. Im probably forgetting someone obvious but I think if Taylor is allowed to develop in the first team he could be an excellent defender in a year or two. And that is worth the investment instead of putting Faye there who will be around for only a few more years cause hes so old Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duwy Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. Ameobi was one of the best english strikers for his age at 22 ok but ameobi sucks. and taylor is captains for u 21s well that's my point, are you pissed? no haha I just think taylor is more promising than Ameobi was. I mean i think the only better defender who is 21-22 is Micah Richards. Im probably forgetting someone obvious but I think if Taylor is allowed to develop in the first team he could be an excellent defender in a year or two. And that is worth the investment instead of putting Faye there who will be around for only a few more years cause hes so old I agree with this, IMO Taylor is much better than some people here think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeh I have never seen warnock play just heard that hes quite good so I dunno. I personally think Enrique is very good but dont know too much about leftbacks. And I think we need to let Taylor develop more as he is one of the best English defenders for his age. That says more on the standard of defenders coming through rather than Taylor being any good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 In a country like England there is always going to be a lot of talent coming through. Rio was criticized a lot when he was younger for losing concentration and making mistakes. He has developed really well to one of the best CBs in the world. Because all of us watch Taylor play week in week out we just see more of the errors that he makes than other people do. If you watched Rio every week when he was 21-22 you would see the same thing. Even Sergio Ramos who is meant to be a great defender looked mediocre under the microscope at the Euro's. People here just criticize Taylor too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 In a country like England there is always going to be a lot of talent coming through. Rio was criticized a lot when he was younger for losing concentration and making mistakes. He has developed really well to one of the best CBs in the world. Because all of us watch Taylor play week in week out we just see more of the errors that he makes than other people do. If you watched Rio every week when he was 21-22 you would see the same thing. Even Sergio Ramos who is meant to be a great defender looked mediocre under the microscope at the Euro's. People here just criticize Taylor too much. He shouldn't be mention in the same breath as either of those tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Give him 3 years. I think he can be at that level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Good thread title. I agree. Fleet St. would not though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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