Guest bimpy474 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago You couldn't read a post two up ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago You couldn't read a post two up ? Dont be nasty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago You couldn't read a post two up ? Dont be nasty Nasty ? Righto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yeah Slim, why you attacking me, bro? J/K, fair points you made. Society sucks. Although at this point we've all agreed almost all such cases against sportsmen are BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago. So he has been found not to have raped her...but she walks away free and gets to live her life. Were as no matter what mud sticks and people will alway judge him now. Fair enough he is a knob but how many people are being accused only to be found innocent. Its sick that a woman can have sex feel bad then just accuse somone of rape. Anonymity is counter-productive, unfair and discriminatory. What has happened is that people couldn't be sure if he raped her. Not really the same is it as being found not to have raped her? You don't seem to have Judged him despite the accusation. Go figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago. So he has been found not to have raped her...but she walks away free and gets to live her life. Were as no matter what mud sticks and people will alway judge him now. Fair enough he is a knob but how many people are being accused only to be found innocent. Its sick that a woman can have sex feel bad then just accuse somone of rape. Anonymity is counter-productive, unfair and discriminatory. What has happened is that people couldn't be sure if he raped her. Not really the same is it as being found not to have raped her? You don't seem to have Judged him despite the accusation. Go figure. Did you follow the case or just saying that becasue of the result? After reading the evidence to me it seemed obvious he did not rape her. He had made it obvious to her he wanted to have sex with her and she still kept hanging around him. I know what you are saying but to me her evidence was very flawed. Her defence was that she was drunk and could not consent. Sorry but you don’t go out clubbing with someone then they get a taxi with you to a hotel and you don’t know what is going on. If we use that defence most the sex happening in Newcastle on a weekend is rape. All this shit about I was to drunk is seriously BS. I have used the I was drunk excuse before. But no matter how drunk I was if some guy said right we are going to a hotel lets go I would never just go with him and have sex. As for the not judging him because he has been accused of rape…to be fair most people that read the papers are stupid and think no smoke without fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Being drunk means you've been raped? Where do I put my claims in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago. So he has been found not to have raped her...but she walks away free and gets to live her life. Were as no matter what mud sticks and people will alway judge him now. Fair enough he is a knob but how many people are being accused only to be found innocent. Its sick that a woman can have sex feel bad then just accuse somone of rape. Anonymity is counter-productive, unfair and discriminatory. What has happened is that people couldn't be sure if he raped her. Not really the same is it as being found not to have raped her? You don't seem to have Judged him despite the accusation. Go figure. Did you follow the case or just saying that becasue of the result? After reading the evidence to me it seemed obvious he did not rape her. He had made it obvious to her he wanted to have sex with her and she still kept hanging around him. I know what you are saying but to me her evidence was very flawed. Her defence was that she was drunk and could not consent. Sorry but you don’t go out clubbing with someone then they get a taxi with you to a hotel and you don’t know what is going on. If we use that defence most the sex happening in Newcastle on a weekend is rape. All this s*** about I was to drunk is seriously BS. I have used the I was drunk excuse before. But no matter how drunk I was if some guy said right we are going to a hotel lets go I would never just go with him and have sex. As for the not judging him because he has been accused of rape…to be fair most people that read the papers are stupid and think no smoke without fire. There is a lot of ignorance in your post. I make the points I have done because the criminal burden requires a case be proven by the prosecution. This means the prosecution's case must be so persuasive that a jury is sure of guilt before they convict. This obviously covers everything from thinking the accuser has said a 'load of rubbish' to 'I really quite can't be sure'. Most acquittals are far closer to the latter scenario than the former. Whilst baseless accusations are often commonplace in the Magistrates court where most cases involving people telling tales are dealt with, they are far rarer in the Crown Court. Reading the evidence? I assume you weren't on the Jury? So either you worked on the case, or more than likely, read what was reported in the paper. She doesn't have a 'defence' she doesn't have to defend her position. The Crown has decided Ranger had a case to answer and part of putting that to him involved evidence from her. The point you make about going back with somebody is dangerously close to saying people deserve what they get. At it's worst it's a case of someone exercising poor judgement due to alcohol impairing their reason. The idea that it's somehow a form of consent is both dangerous and grotesque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 It's Slim, mate. At best, he's all wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago. So he has been found not to have raped her...but she walks away free and gets to live her life. Were as no matter what mud sticks and people will alway judge him now. Fair enough he is a knob but how many people are being accused only to be found innocent. Its sick that a woman can have sex feel bad then just accuse somone of rape. Anonymity is counter-productive, unfair and discriminatory. Are you for f***ing real?! I shouldn't need to point this out, but rape is incredibly difficult to prosecute. You want raped women who couldn't prove it beyond doubt (i.e. most raped women) to be attacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The cps (crown prosecution service) decide if there is enough evidence for criminal proceedings, the court decide on guilt. Ranger is a massive cunt though, dispute that in court . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 "The point you make about going back with somebody is dangerously close to saying people deserve what they get. At it's worst it's a case of someone exercising poor judgement due to alcohol impairing their reason. The idea that it's somehow a form of consent is both dangerous and grotesque. " Fair enough this is about Ranger not rape so best defuse it. Not saying anyone deserves it. What I am saying is it smacks to me of someone who had drunk fling and then cried rape. I am saying that In my opinion and from quotes I seen she knew Ranger would be trying to have sex with her so why go there? Why meet him ? But no obviously should never happen. like I said no matter how drunk I am if some guy who has been trying to have sex with me asks me to come back to a hotel with him I would never. He will get locked up for somthing else soon so if he really did then Karma and all that will sort it out. Ronaldo I have turned over a new leaf. Well after this has finished becasuse I should have kept out of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Remy hoping for same. Was cleared ages ago. So he has been found not to have raped her...but she walks away free and gets to live her life. Were as no matter what mud sticks and people will alway judge him now. Fair enough he is a knob but how many people are being accused only to be found innocent. Its sick that a woman can have sex feel bad then just accuse somone of rape. Anonymity is counter-productive, unfair and discriminatory. What has happened is that people couldn't be sure if he raped her. Not really the same is it as being found not to have raped her? You don't seem to have Judged him despite the accusation. Go figure. Did you follow the case or just saying that becasue of the result? After reading the evidence to me it seemed obvious he did not rape her. He had made it obvious to her he wanted to have sex with her and she still kept hanging around him. I know what you are saying but to me her evidence was very flawed. Her defence was that she was drunk and could not consent. Sorry but you don’t go out clubbing with someone then they get a taxi with you to a hotel and you don’t know what is going on. If we use that defence most the sex happening in Newcastle on a weekend is rape. All this s*** about I was to drunk is seriously BS. I have used the I was drunk excuse before. But no matter how drunk I was if some guy said right we are going to a hotel lets go I would never just go with him and have sex. As for the not judging him because he has been accused of rape…to be fair most people that read the papers are stupid and think no smoke without fire. There is a lot of ignorance in your post. I make the points I have done because the criminal burden requires a case be proven by the prosecution. This means the prosecution's case must be so persuasive that a jury is sure of guilt before they convict. This obviously covers everything from thinking the accuser has said a 'load of rubbish' to 'I really quite can't be sure'. Most acquittals are far closer to the latter scenario than the former. Whilst baseless accusations are often commonplace in the Magistrates court where most cases involving people telling tales are dealt with, they are far rarer in the Crown Court. Reading the evidence? I assume you weren't on the Jury? So either you worked on the case, or more than likely, read what was reported in the paper. She doesn't have a 'defence' she doesn't have to defend her position. The Crown has decided Ranger had a case to answer and part of putting that to him involved evidence from her. The point you make about going back with somebody is dangerously close to saying people deserve what they get. At it's worst it's a case of someone exercising poor judgement due to alcohol impairing their reason. The idea that it's somehow a form of consent is both dangerous and grotesque. Good reply. Unfortunately the post before it makes me absolutely despair. If this is what relatively sane people think about rape cases/ consent. I only hope that no-one I know ever experiences rape (for obvious reasons) and trying to seek justice for it. Such an ignorant society we live in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Drunk consent is still consent. The day it's not we're going to need fucking enormous prisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 At the end of the day, if someone is paralytic, you probably shouldn't be having sex with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 It's Slim, mate. At best, he's all wrong. Touché Drunk consent is still consent. The day it's not we're going to need f***ing enormous prisons. The difficulty is often distinguishing between drunk consent and too drunk to consent. alijmitchell has pretty much nailed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Not sure if it's even worth bumping this anymore, but he was arrested again: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-26706371 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Jesus christ. It's not even funny any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 At least he's not a 'former Newcastle ace' in that article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 What a waste of a human life this piece of shit is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSC Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 At the end of the day, if someone is paralytic, you probably shouldn't be having sex with them If I followed this rule I would never have sex with my wife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 At least he's not a 'former Newcastle ace' in that article. Downgraded to just 'footballer' now. Useless waste of oxygen, should be put down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Don't worry, we get mentioned in the headline, the caption, the subheading and then about every other sentence in the Mirror. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ex-newcastle-united-striker-nile-ranger-3274951 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Fucking Ranges when will he learn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_qBIDbjg-UI/UAAOtuOAScI/AAAAAAAAIz0/8vg4xEBh5kQ/s640/Rango+%282011%29+0.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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